2021 FORD BRONCO REVEAL

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Originally Posted by westoxified

Valid, but those trucks haven’t seen a redesign in 10+ years New taco doesn’t count. Obviously there are shortcomings and perceived long term reliability issues but that’s where the money should be focused. Not on midlife crisis itch scratching.

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So, in review:

Ford will have a better MPG SUV in 2021 than Toyota in 2021.
Ford has confirmed a hybrid option is on the way.
Toyota hasn't even announced next gen 4runner or Taco. (And even then, the new Taco/4runner is probably going to be on the TNGA platform -- aka a unibody -- not a body-on-frame design: https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/...#post-19725756)
Toyota hasn't confirmed new gen 4runner or Taco will have hybrid option.

So most likely, ford will potentially be the first to bring a truly off-road capable SUV to market with a hybrid option. But they are the baddies.

I've got no dog in this fight. No interest in buying a bronco, or a taco with 33s or whatever since I rock a minivan. Just strikes me as a silly thing to complain about when there is literally no one on the market doing it better.

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Originally Posted by doebedoe

So, in review:

Ford will have a better MPG SUV in 2021 than Toyota in 2021.
Ford has confirmed a hybrid option is on the way.
Toyota is still resting on its laurels and hasn't even announced next gen 4runner or Taco. (And even then, the new Taco/4runner is probably going to be on the TNGA platform -- aka a unibody -- not a body-on-frame design: https://www.tacomaworld.com/threads/...#post-19725756)
Toyota hasn't confirmed new gen 4runner or Taco will have hybrid option.

So most likely, ford will potentially be the first to bring a truly off-road capable SUV to market with a hybrid option. But they are the baddies.

I've got no dog in this fight. No interest in buying a bronco, or a taco with 33s or whatever since I rock a minivan. Just strikes me as a silly thing to complain about when there is literally no one on the market doing it better.

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and FCA's response was "heres a wrangler with a V8!"

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Originally Posted by JimmyCarter

and FCA's response was "heres a wrangler with a V8!"

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Actually they teased a plug in hybrid version of the Wrangler on their Instagram yesterday:
https://www.instagram.com/p/CCmFDccDKRb/

I'm actually most excited about plug in hybrid versions of vehicles like this. I could do the 16 mile round trip to work on electricity alone, but not worry about finding places to charge on longer, more middle of nowhere trips. If I'd bought my van a few years later, I would have strongly considered the Pacifica plug in (though as it only comes in the premium trim it probably would have been more than I wanted to pay at the time).

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Originally Posted by mooseknuckle

Better or worse than the FJ or LC? Guessing it’s probably a push if not in favor of the Bronco with stock 35s.

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Originally Posted by doebedoe

Where's the 4Runner with a hybrid? Taco? Nowhere. And they get far worse MPG than the EcoBoost will.

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That's an apples to oranges comparison, those Toyota vehicles are largely unchanged from 25 years ago. The Bronco was a ground-up new vehicle, designed and engineered in 2020, and it will get piss poor gas mileage for a newly designed vehicle, no matter how you slice it or try to greenwash it.

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Originally Posted by AdironRider

Ask any Subaru Outback/Forester owner what they actually get and I bet this is within a couple mpg real world and will absolutely destroy any Tacoma in the land.

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I put 135,000 miles on a 2010 Subaru Outback before I got a 4Runner. My lifetime MPG in the Subaru was close 30. Highway trips I got 34-36 regularly, and consistently got 25-27 around down.

The 4Runner gets pretty poor mileage, but I live 2.5 miles from where I work with 2 grocery stores and 2 breweries in between, and I ride my bike to work the 9 days a year it isn't raining here.

If I was commuting 50+ miles a day round trip, I would likely ditch the 4Runner for an AWD wagon.

I don't have a dog in this fight, as I have a relatively new, low mileage, paid off 4Runner. I will say that I would much rather see manual transmission offerings in cars than SUVs/trucks though, if we are going to see a manual renaissance.

I get a billion mpg on my bicycle. Anyway back on track. Factory 2” lift and 37s, like some of us predicted here.

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In spite of being bit of a Ranger owner/fanboi at the time when i read 2.3 boosted 4 cylinder as the only engine in a mid size Ranger that was a big turn off for me

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Originally Posted by glademaster

I put 135,000 miles on a 2010 Subaru Outback before I got a 4Runner. My lifetime MPG in the Subaru was close 30. Highway trips I got 34-36 regularly, and consistently got 25-27 around down.

The 4Runner gets pretty poor mileage, but I live 2.5 miles from where I work with 2 grocery stores and 2 breweries in between the two spots, and I ride my bike to work the 9 days a year it isn't raining here.

If I was commuting 50+ miles a day round trip, I would likely ditch the 4Runner for an AWD wagon.

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That's some atypically great mileage on an Outback, but the Outback does seem to beat the (non-hybrid) Escape on real world mpg and as the Bronco Sport is based on that the platform but with more ruggedization, I suspect that the Outback will continue to beat it somewhat handily (3-4 mpg). The shared platform means that Ford could probably pretty easily bring out a Bronco Sport hybrid though, and that would likely out mpg the Outback until it follows suit.

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Originally Posted by frorider

I get a billion mpg on my bicycle. Anyway back on track. Factory 2” lift and 37s, like some of us predicted here.

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Put some pants on that guy please.

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Originally Posted by Name Redacted

The last recession (and gas prices) took out the FJ...

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Yes that, but also, CAFE standards from what I understand.

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Originally Posted by Jax

Yes that, but also, CAFE standards from what I understand.

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And it was a niche vehicle that had no real market and abandoned its iconic past. I mean this bronco looks like it’s been continuously made since 1966 and this is the latest iteration. The fj competed with the 4 runner was awkward to drive regarding visibility and was relatively expensive.
If the fj looked like a real fj and had removable top and doors and smaller footprint and no awkward suicide doors plus toyota reliability it would have been a hit.
Jeep Wrangler introduces a 4 door during the worst gas prices and recession and it becomes its biggest seller.


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Originally Posted by westoxified

Valid, but those trucks haven’t seen a redesign in 10+ years New taco doesn’t count. Obviously there are shortcomings and perceived long term reliability issues but that’s where the money should be focused. Not on midlife crisis itch scratching.

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You know the problem with you fake enviro SJW types is your lesson teaching. You give Toyota’s a pass because one sits in your driveway along with the driveways of thousands of bros in the intermountain west.
It’s because it’s your choice it’s ok. God forbid an f-150 rolls by with a non core dude. I had a 2.7 f-150 and now a Tacoma for my son. That f-150 easily got 25% better mileage and had 50% more room.


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Hard to tell in that picture if the guy is like 5'5" or if there's going to be a huge blind spot in front of the grille. Looks like it's going to be a blind spot nightmare. Not conducive to crawling..

Another thing that immediately stuck out to me is the height of the the side panels. Like, for that guy to rest his arm on the window sill it would be above the height of his shoulder. Not ergo.

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Originally Posted by ncskier

You know the problem with you fake enviro SJW types is your lesson teaching. You give Toyota’s a pass because one sits in your driveway along with the driveways of thousands of bros in the intermountain west.

It’s because it’s your choice it’s ok. God forbid an f-150 rolls by with a non core dude. I had a 2.7 f-150 and now a Tacoma for my son. That f-150 easily got 25% better mileage and had 50% more room.


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Preach ^^^

Try regearing, lifting and slamming 35s under that taco, FJ or LC and let’s see what happens with real world mpg - admittedly without me having any idea what the mpg figures will be for a Sasquatch outfitted bronco with the larger engine.

Intrigued by the programming option on the 4cyl. Just can’t quite get my mind around that as a realistic option. Certainly isn’t if you want to keep your warranty intact. Lots of electronics and first year gremlin considerations will make me be careful to preserve warranty.

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Originally Posted by east or bust

Hard to tell in that picture if the guy is like 5'5" or if there's going to be a huge blind spot in front of the grille. Looks like it's going to be a blind spot nightmare. Not conducive to crawling..

Another thing that immediately stuck out to me is the height of the the side panels. Like, for that guy to rest his arm on the window sill it would be above the height of his shoulder. Not ergo.

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The seat is slammed and back. I bet he has a giant trouser, er, pleated khaki short hog though. You can tell by the size of his tires.

It’s got looks. 2% of people buying this will drive it on challenging terrain. High traffic beach don’t count but would still be rad.

If the auto has a low enough first for descents (and u can keep it In first) gimme the auto.

I Can’t afford anyway so enjoy if you get one, looks fun.

The margin on light trucks these days just makes my blood boil. “Just raise the prices!!!” “Sir, shouldn’t we make it somehow better?” “Raising the price does make it better.”


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Originally Posted by ncskier

God forbid an f-150 rolls by with a non core dude. I had a 2.7 f-150 and now a Tacoma for my son. That f-150 easily got 25% better mileage and had 50% more room.


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As a 4Runner owner and fan, I agree with this statement. I don't understand why anyone buys a Tacoma or Froniter. They get worse mileage than a 1/2 ton truck, the interiors are cramped as shit, and the payload and towing capacities pale in comparison to a 1/2 ton.

If I needed a pickup, I would definitely be looking at an F150 and not a Taco, even though the notion of buying an American car makes me sick to my stomach.

I wonder what depreciation will be like on the Bronco.

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Originally Posted by east or bust

Hard to tell in that picture if the guy is like 5'5" or if there's going to be a huge blind spot in front of the grille. Looks like it's going to be a blind spot nightmare. Not conducive to crawling..

Another thing that immediately stuck out to me is the height of the the side panels. Like, for that guy to rest his arm on the window sill it would be above the height of his shoulder. Not ergo.

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Dude does look tiny in that thing. I think there are a few things at play that amplify this more so than just his stature. The camera lens and angle, paired with the angle of how the Bronco is parked uphill, plus a seat that was not raised up & adjusted forward for his size appropriately. You can clearly see the seat height adjustment lever on the side panel of the seat, to the left of the seat-back adjustment. The seat as it is in the photo is dropped all the way down. And it looks likes his toes can barely reach the pedals. I think that dude just sat in there for the photo op but the seat was clearly adjusted for a different, taller driver/stunt model. In any case he's clearly wearing leather Merrill sandals.

I don't think hood clearance is going to be a problem.

Also, I think this photo confirms it will be comfortable for taller folk.

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Originally Posted by Jax

Dude does look tiny in that thing. I think there are a few things at play that amplify this more so than just his stature. The camera lens and angle, paired with the angle of how the Bronco is parked uphill, plus a seat that was not raised up & adjusted forward for his size appropriately. You can clearly see the seat hight adjustment lever on the side panel of the seat, to the left of the seat-back adjustment. The seat as it is in the photo is dropped all the way down. And it looks likes his toes can barely reach the pedals. I think that dude just sat in there for the photo op but the seat was clearly adjusted for a different, taller driver/stunt model. In any case he's clearly wearing leather Merrill sandals.

I think this photo confirms it will be comfortable for taller folk.

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The guy in the pic says as much. He was posting in the thread the pic came from. He's supposedly 5'10" and didn't want to mess with the seat. He just wanted the pic of him in it. Might be an indicator of the target market. I just want to look cool. Don't really care how it would fit if the dude were actually a driver.

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Originally Posted by Conundrum

The guy in the pic says as much. He was posting in the thread the pic came from. He's supposedly 5'10" and didn't want to mess with the seat. He just wanted the pic of him in it. Might be an indicator of the target market. I just want to look cool. Don't really care how it would fit if the dude were actually a driver.

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Based on all of that, then yes he is 5'5" to 5'8". Just as predicted.

Heh. I didn't click or read that link.

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Originally Posted by ncskier

You know the problem with you fake enviro SJW types is your lesson teaching. You give Toyota’s a pass because one sits in your driveway along with the driveways of thousands of bros in the intermountain west.
It’s because it’s your choice it’s ok. God forbid an f-150 rolls by with a non core dude. I had a 2.7 f-150 and now a Tacoma for my son. That f-150 easily got 25% better mileage and had 50% more room.


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i love it. you nailed it, i am super fake.

and the F150. it is my work truck w/ a 8ft bed, 3.5l and 36 gallon tank. it's a flying couch and with a piss bucket i can go 700 miles before a stop.

thanks for the lesson

I sold my sweet '96 F150 XLT Lariat with dual tanks and a stick back in 08 because it cost me too damn much money to fill up. I regret that decision most every day, except for when I'm at the pump.

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Originally Posted by glademaster

As a 4Runner owner and fan, I agree with this statement. I don't understand why anyone buys a Tacoma or Froniter. They get worse mileage than a 1/2 ton truck, the interiors are cramped as shit, and the payload and towing capacities pale in comparison to a 1/2 ton.

If I needed a pickup, I would definitely be looking at an F150 and not a Taco, even though the notion of buying an American car makes me sick to my stomach.

I wonder what depreciation will be like on the Bronco.

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Because you get poor MPG in a cramped interior towing less for half a million miles with higher resale.

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Originally Posted by east or bust

Hard to tell in that picture if the guy is like 5'5" or if there's going to be a huge blind spot in front of the grille. Looks like it's going to be a blind spot nightmare. Not conducive to crawling..

Another thing that immediately stuck out to me is the height of the the side panels. Like, for that guy to rest his arm on the window sill it would be above the height of his shoulder. Not ergo.

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It supposedly has cameras in the front to show where your wheels at when crawling. I imagine they might be part of an upgrade package.

As a relatively tall person, I like the photo. I find my eye level a bit too high in my dad's last gen Ranger and I can't adjust the seat down. This looks like it would be easier to avoid feeling like I'm looking down out of the vehicle.

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

https://carsalesbase.com/us-car-sale...dsized-pickup/

sales are down in 2020 but Tacoma has a 40% share of the market and out sells every other midsized truck by 2-1

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Tacoma has the rep. Plus Chevy and Ford tried to price their mid-size trucks like they were in the full size market. So, I'm guessing prospective mid-size truck buyers did one of three things;
1) They bought a full size Ford/Chevy/Dodge
2) They went with Tacoma
3) They decided to stick with their used truck a few more years and wait for newer offerings and save up some more cash.