Why your SUV sucks in the mountains

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Originally Posted by El Chupacabra

Climate is pretty different in the majority of the US than in Scandinavia.

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actual climate, or "ice covered mountain passes with death dropoffs on oneside somewhere near seattle" perceived climate?

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Originally Posted by dunfree

actual climate, or "ice covered mountain passes with death dropoffs on oneside somewhere near seattle" perceived climate?

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Both. Scandinavia doesn’t have anywhere with climate like Florida or Texas. Scandinavia does have areas with “ice covered mountain passes” (northern Norway) and areas that are quite Seattle like (Oslo), as well as places quite like Michigan (Finland).

But I’m thinking your post was a little facetious. [emoji6]


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Originally Posted by Mallthus

Both. Scandinavia doesn’t have anywhere with climate like Florida or Texas. Scandinavia does have areas with “ice covered mountain passes” (northern Norway) and areas that are quite Seattle like (Oslo), as well as places quite like Michigan (Finland).

But I’m thinking your post was a little facetious. [emoji6]


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IDK scandinavia, but in the US, unless you actually live in the mountains , or somewhere like minnesota, the large majority of your driving is in reality going to be on dry/wet roads with only the final portion on snow/ice. Or the random few days during the winter where it does snow/ice up down low and everybody is crawling along. In Scandinavia, you drive on ice/snow everyday for like 4 months out of the year, right?

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Originally Posted by californiagrown

. . . but in the US, unless you actually live in the mountains , or somewhere like minnesota, the large majority of your driving is in reality going to be on dry/wet roads with only the final portion on snow/ice.

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I guess that depends on what you mean "in the mountains." Icy and/or snowy roads are common throughout the winter in places in the northern interior west that are not actually "in the mountains," e.g., central and E WA and much of MT. I-90 through MT is often icy and snowy, and side roads off the interstate often stay icy and/or snowy throughout the winter. Missoula, Bozeman and Livingston are surrounded by mountains, but not "in the mountains."

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Originally Posted by fastfred

I bet 9 out of 10 people can't change their own oil

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Modern Bimmers* don’t even have a dipstick. :nonono2:

*supposedly most other luxury cars as well, but I don’t know for sure

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Originally Posted by auvgeek

Modern Bimmers don’t even have a dipstick. :nonono2:

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except the one behind the WHEEL, hey oooo!!!!

I kid, I kid, you guys are alright.

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Originally Posted by Jong Lafitte

except the one behind the WHEEL, hey oooo!!!!

I kid, I kid, you guys are alright.

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well played. But FTR, I don’t own a BMW, and likely never will. Just have a car-obsessed uncle (DINKs) with 5 of them.

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Originally Posted by Mallthus

But I’m thinking your post was a little facetious. [emoji6]

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mostly, yes. the biggest difference is population and population density, I think. there's ~4 million people in the greater seattle area going to a few 4 season mountain roads. except at off times if they aren't clear, they can be a shitshow, because one of those 4 million people will be unprepared. apply this to California times 10. suv is way more useful for seasonsal dirt/gravel/forest road skiing access in spring/fall than winter, imo.

yes if you live in the inland mountain west, especially in rural areas things are different.

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Originally Posted by fastfred

I bet 9 out of 10 people can't change their own oil

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We have Mexicans who can do that.

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Originally Posted by GeezerSteve

I guess that depends on what you mean "in the mountains." Icy and/or snowy roads are common throughout the winter in places in the northern interior west that are not actually "in the mountains," e.g., central and E WA and much of MT. I-90 through MT is often icy and snowy, and side roads off the interstate often stay icy and/or snowy throughout the winter. Missoula, Bozeman and Livingston are surrounded by mountains, but not "in the mountains."

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maybe that was the "or like minnesota" part, geezersteve who loves being the lawyer online?

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Originally Posted by GeezerSteve

I guess that depends on what you mean "in the mountains." Icy and/or snowy roads are common throughout the winter in places in the northern interior west that are not actually "in the mountains," e.g., central and E WA and much of MT. I-90 through MT is often icy and snowy, and side roads off the interstate often stay icy and/or snowy throughout the winter. Missoula, Bozeman and Livingston are surrounded by mountains, but not "in the mountains."

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True, i guess i was meaning in the majority of large population centers you will be mostly driving on dry or wet roads. Partly because they are intentionally located in milder elevations and climates, but also because the amount of people driving on those roads melts off snow and ice and keeps it from sticking around very long.

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Originally Posted by dunfree

maybe that was the "or like minnesota" part, geezersteve who loves being the lawyer online?

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Having lived in MN, I can confidently advise that MN is nothing like MT, E WA or WY. It doesn't take an attorney to know that.

Having lived on either side of the WA and OR Cascades, I can also advise that ice tires are not strongly indicated W of the Cascades but are highly advisable E of the Cascades. Again, one need not be a lawyer to figure this out.

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Originally Posted by GeezerSteve

Having lived in MN, I can confidently advise that MN is nothing like MT, E WA or WY. It doesn't take an attorney to know that.

Having lived on either side of the WA and OR Cascades, I can also advise that ice tires are not strongly indicated W of the Cascades but are highly advisable E of the Cascades. Again, one need not be a lawyer to figure this out.

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I'm saying you are being an argumentative douche. If you lived in MN, you'd know there isn't much difference between MT east of the rockies, ND, and western MN. anyways thats my opinion, march on TRG soldiers, march on.

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Originally Posted by dunfree

If you lived in MN, you'd know there isn't much fucking difference between MT east of the rockies, ND, and western MN.

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There's no "if." I lived there 2 years, including a record cold winter in northern MN. And there is a big difference. For starters, MN is flat and doesn't have big swings of conditions per altitude change.

Wanna see an argumentative cunt? Look in the mirror.

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Originally Posted by GeezerSteve

For starters, MN is flat.

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and eastern ND isn't? you love to argue online GS, own it. edit since you edited: most of ND is damn flat, there aren't "big swings of conditions per altitude change"

Eastern MT is called West Dakota. When you are driving in a blinding snowstorm between Billings and MN, like one from the movie Fargo, the only way to know what state you are in is road signs. It's the same in many ways, but you could split hairs I guess.

I really expected the helicopter parenting thread to blow up not the SUV suckage one.

When that section of highway betweeen Abotsford & Chilliwak just outside of Vancover whites out I've come across SUV's upside down in the middle of the hy, its flatter than piss on a plate farm land in a mild climate with marine influence still somebody fucked up .

But face it an SUV kind of handles like a drunken circus elephant compared to a sports sedan at the best of times even in summer weather so in snow the 4x4 thing just gets you up to a speed where its easier for you to lose control if you didnt buy the proper tires and slow down to conditions

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

But face it an SUV kind of handles like a drunken circus elephant compared to a sports sedan at the best of times even in summer weather so in snow the 4x4 thing just gets you up to a speed where its easier for you to lose control if you didnt buy the proper tires and slow down to conditions

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I dunno man...did we have better drivers in the good old days? Living in rupert, one of the local ski bums who drove an old rear wheel drive Chevy Malibu with a roof mount ski rack and all season tires was a frequent d.d. to shames and smithers. Wuz a nice plush comfy ride just kinda pitching and yawing down the highway like yer riding some low ocean swells in a big ship. As u know the transitional climate creates some of the worst driving conditions u can imagine. Car stayed on the road, no issues, iirc. Maybe something to do with the 78 tons of rolling heavy metal packed with beer and bodies?

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

slow down to conditions

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Ding Ding Ding!! Or, in the case of a long uphill, speed up for the conditions.

When it does snow in town u get 70+ accidents and a lot are in town and it’s probably “cause your tires suck”

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Originally Posted by swissiphic

I dunno man...did we have better drivers in the good old days?

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In the old days, we didn’t lose our jobs if we got snowed in up on the mountain.


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Originally Posted by XXX-er

<snip> slow down to conditions

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Just please make sure to stay in the right lane - for the sake of all those people that DID purchase proper snow/ice tires.

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Back in the day they plowed the road up HBM once a week, nobody owned a 4x4, sex was dirty and bra's were pointy ... those were the good old days

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Originally Posted by skaredshtles

Just please make sure to stay in the right lane - for the sake of all those people that DID purchase proper snow/ice tires.

:D

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I learned to drive in the middle and scan the ditch which gives more reaction time to deal with suicidal unglets

you can always move over when you have to