Hjortleifson has been heard, the DynaFit Vulcan

Probably just found out what the difference is between what we`re doing. The instep is tight for me, so i`m on the first cable catch position on that middle buckle. I tried doing it on the 3rd (tighter) position and the method i`m using doesn`t work at all. I couldn`t even pull the tongue out. On the second position it was doable but with a bit of fiddling where as on the 1st it`s relatively easy. The upper most buckle position didn`t really seem to matter as with the bottom one. It seems to be all about creating enough slack in that middle buckle to get the angle on it. Not sure if shell size matters.. Thankfully i`m on that loose position buckle.

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Originally Posted by time2clmb

Probably just found out what the difference is between what we`re doing. The instep is tight for me, so i`m on the first cable catch position on that middle buckle. I tried doing it on the 3rd (tighter) position and the method i`m using doesn`t work at all. I couldn`t even pull the tongue out. On the second position it was doable but with a bit of fiddling where as on the 1st it`s relatively easy. The upper most buckle position didn`t really seem to matter as with the bottom one. It seems to be all about creating enough slack in that middle buckle to get the angle on it. Not sure if shell size matters.. Thankfully i`m on that loose position buckle.

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Yep, You are dead right.,,been practicing...its' all about the middle buckle..... I have it tight in the 3rd position and I can't remove the tongue. On second position I can remove the tongue with a good pull but I can't get it back in. In first groove( loosest position) I can remove the tongue easy and insert it without too much problem. But problem is for skiing I like and want the instep buckle tight( in fact I consider it the MOST important buckle) and therefore I still have to go through all the above I described in my previous post to remove the tongue. If not on loosest middle buckle groove...you're fucked.

Don't like it...I think it's a design flaw as most skiers I know like the instep buckle real tight for DH mode.

Your point about the Vulcans being a big progression over a boot like the Factor or some of the older clunkier AT boots is a valid point. When compared to a relatively light and well thought out boot like the Virus( And I'm just realizing how good a boot the Virus is...way ahead of it's time... good job PLake) then the Vulcan is not such a huge step forward... I was expecting more. It's those fucking tongues and having to remove them to get the best out of the boot. I may try a pair of Mastralea RS tomorrow as this tongue removal PITA may be a deal breaker for me.

Yeah that sucks. Really glad I have a tight instep. I can't get it any tighter than that first position thankfully.

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Yeah that sucks. Really glad I have a tight instep. I can't get it any tighter than that first position thankfully.

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Discovered that stiff tongue on liners works much better and adds to boots stiffness if you DO use the laces. PNWBrit was having the same problem with his Mercury's and suggested not using the instep eyelets on the liners and only lacing through top 2 levels= works great, easy to get the boots off and keeps the tongue in the correct position. Stiff liner tongue is part of the boots stiffness system and I've changed my mind... the boot is stiffer using the lace liners than with a powerwrap liner. The boot is stiffest AT boot I've ever tried and there is no flex..it's like hitting a brick wall. Feels like a plug boot.
Feeling much better about these this morning and I'm off to the bootfitter to get them molded.

Scotsman - sure it's not just the hype making you expect that this boot is the grail? Most hyped boot evah.

Regarding toungs and my exp w TLT5s*. Leave a home when yo-yoing or multidays. Take when charging or variable conditions...and slide in before topping out on windy ridges.

Definitely requires more thought. But, I appreciate the performance customability. FWIW YMMV.

*w pro tour/ hd race

So...got a ski day on the Mercuries today. They tour really really nice. Stiffness while skiing was i'd say probably a bit stiffer than the Factor. Won't know totally for sure until I actually jump off something or ski them harder...can only do so much and not open it up in this early season snowpack so will have to hold comments as to the quality of the flex once I can start hammering on them...no "brick wall" so far.

Also skied with them with the tongues out and was very much suprised. Nice flex to them...and completely 100% skiable without the black tongue.

how big are you, T2C?

Yeah sorry meant to post it earlier. 5'6 175lbs current skis 186 lhasa, 177 Supercharger, 186 115 Influence, 181 Coomback, 192 Legend big Dumps and EPpro's. Tested them today on the Coomback. Alpine boots are 130 Lange Freeride....and it goes without saying, an aggressive dentist like every one else here.

Been trying to buy a pair of vulcans, with no success. I find it hard to believe that my size wont be in country till mid december? WTF?
28.0 or 28.5, 315 sole legnth. This is the average size of a us foot and they have not produced them yet.
Nice way to lose business.
Anyone have any updates on if they will be here sooner?

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Been trying to buy a pair of vulcans, with no success. I find it hard to believe that my size wont be in country till mid december? WTF?
28.0 or 28.5, 315 sole legnth. This is the average size of a us foot and they have not produced them yet.
Nice way to lose business.
Anyone have any updates on if they will be here sooner?

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They have produced them, mine's a 28 and they are already molded ready to go.... You try Bentgate?

I did, wtf? ill call, i just tried online where di you get your?

ok, just called, betgate and bc.com just got these in today.
tried my dicsount code on BC and it is no good.
Do i pay full retail? Looks that way.

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Do i pay full retail? Looks that way.

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laws of supply and demand say...... "highly likely".

^^. each store only has one of these. Very limited supply. Going to try and try on the 28 tomorrow.

tried on the 27, feels great, the walk mode was sweet.
Going to purchase the 28, probably pay full retail.

skideeppow is live blogging this. Sweet.

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tried on the 27, feels great, the walk mode was sweet.
Going to purchase the 28, probably pay full retail.

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Why the 28 if the 27 feels good?

i menat the flex and walk mode felt sweet. It was too tight for touring

Did a quick tour up to the PC Ridgeline on Saturday in my new Vulcans and I am extremely impressed. The tour mode really was awesome. The weight savings was great, but the range of motion was mind-blowing. I was absolutely amazed by how much quicker I could get up the mountain with the longer stride. On the way down, the boots felt plenty stiff enough (which means they're just as -- or even stiffer than my Nordica Demons are) -- even without the laces or aux tongues. Unlocking back into tour mode meant making a little adjustment to get the tongue/liner to align correctly, but I think that was a minor incident.

In regards to sizing, I'm typically a 27, but had to go with a 28 this time around to get the right width. I was a little concerned with this approach, but I have no slop in the heel and it felt like the bootfitter was able to get the sides blown out far enough to accommodate my 4E wide feet.

All in all, this is a seriously bad-ass touring boot.

I just got done with two BC days on my Mercuries. I am a 27 TLT5 (with no shell fitting) and a 26 Titan and Zzero (with a lot of punching for width and length in the toe box). I went with a 27 Mercury and the toe box felt tighter than on my TLT5, I am guessing because of the thicker liner, it really didin't feel like the toe box was any roomier than my TLT5's. My bootfitter ended up punching the Mercuries for length and width in the toe box but I don't know if he punched the shell or just compressed the liner. If he punched the shell it wasn't much.

In touring mode, the touring action is much better than my Titans but the beefier liner makes it stiffer to get a long stride in compared to the TLT5. Coming down, they were plenty stiff without the removable tongue. I only had three bc runs on them so I will experiment with the removable tongue a little at the resort, but at this point I don't think I will use them.

the new tongue flex pattern is much better than the proto tongue from the spring.

harpo - can you see quickly if the vulcan tongue would fit into the tlt5 with minimal modifying? just curious.

cheers!

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the new tongue flex pattern is much better than the proto tongue from the spring.

harpo - can you see quickly if the vulcan tongue would fit into the tlt5 with minimal modifying? just curious.

cheers!

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The TLT5 tongue is shorter, both in the inserted portion of the tongue and where the shell/tongue plug thing line up. Doable, but maybe not easy. I'll try and grab some pictures.

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The TLT5 tongue is shorter, both in the inserted portion of the tongue and where the shell/tongue plug thing line up. Doable, but maybe not easy. I'll try and grab some pictures.

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it's also a bit thinner. So you could shove it in but it would be a pain in the ass. Going to get rando one piece suit next marshal?

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The TLT5 tongue is shorter, both in the inserted portion of the tongue and where the shell/tongue plug thing line up. Doable, but maybe not easy. I'll try and grab some pictures.

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Imgur album: http://imgur.com/a/lbfEe

Got my first day in the Mercury today. Only about 1k up and down but so far very pleased with the cuff rotation, heel hold, and stiffness (skied WITHOUT tongues). Fully met my expectations so far.

Lots of hype for the Vulcan and Mercury but bottom line is they seem to tour and ski like a dream.