If memory is correct on the Vipec there is no actual full lock to the toe.
The tour mode locks the side to side elastic travel but the set release value on the toe wings stays the same.
Lee? Might have to go look at that up to confirm.
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If memory is correct on the Vipec there is no actual full lock to the toe.
The tour mode locks the side to side elastic travel but the set release value on the toe wings stays the same.
Lee? Might have to go look at that up to confirm.
Also the "forward release" at the toe (ie not popping out of them on a kickturn) is also locked out.Quote:
Originally Posted by shirk
This weekend I was warming up my hips swinging my leg front and back. Forgot to put it into lock and almost nailed someone behind me when it released. :tongue:
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Originally Posted by shirk
Shirk you're kind of correct there. It actually increases the RV at the toe wings by a bit but not a whole pile. Not at all like Dynafit or G3 for example where if you lock out the toe you pretty much will rip the knee before releases. I didn't even try to quantify how much as I didn't even know where to start.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorCalNomad
As a side note for both the Fritschi and the G3 I can tour without the toe locked out and only will come out of the toe wings if I kick turn hard or do something like smash the tip into breakable crust. So if I'm on a skin track where I have some doubts about safety or exposure I'll leave the toes unlocked (kind of begs the question what I'm doing on that kind of terrain)
Wildsnow has something on this fyi but it doesn't include Vipec - https://www.wildsnow.com/18803/compa...er-g3-dynafit/
Skialper also did this kind of test but I don't have a copy - Wildsnow article about it https://www.wildsnow.com/21232/skial...o-translation/
There;'s some legal issue in IT where they couldn't test the Vipec. Not sure what's up with that
Irrespective of the binding, I may find myself migrating to the "belts and braces" camp - brakes + occasional use of fused leash.
I can't bring myself fully trusting a fused leash without brakes. If I take a big fall without brakes (and the fuse works), I've lost a ski and I'd be kicking myself on the way out for not having brakes - the hunt for the ski(s). Leashes, OTOH are great for putting your skis on in sketchy entrances, as well as for kickturn insurance.
... Thom
Patent issues in ItalyQuote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
Bumping this for same question. Want to do the same, but it's a pretty tough angle to work from.Quote:
Originally Posted by NorCalNomad
Forgot to post this - differences between black and white Vipecs.
http://www.doglotion.com/user-review...ouring-binding
Odd that stores list the brakes as 95, 108 and 120mm, etc. but the boxes (and Diamir's web site) say 80, 90, 100 and 115mm.
This has been driving me nuts. Back on post #317 in this thread, I documented my confusion over the various labeling - Black Diamond vs. Fritschi, vs. Sport Conrad/Telemark-Pyranees. I seem to recall someone commenting that Black Diamond erroneously used the Freeride brake widths on their website.
Also, see my comment in post #359 about the Backcountry.com "XXL" labeled brakes.
In any case, the width specifications are wildly optimistic. IIRC, I got what was labeled as 108 (from Sport Conrad last Spring), and they barely cleared my Down Countdown 102's.
Cheers,
Thom
^ That's really strange, tonight I measured a pair labeled "90" and they can actually fit 100mm waists (barely). Figured that's why stores are pushing up the listed brake widths by 5mm, maybe they run big but you actually received "90"s in a 108mm bag? Or maybe I received 100mm brakes in a box labeled 90?
Who knows...I need a pair of 120s if anyone is holding.
My 108 brakes barely clear my Countdown 102s.
Holding them in your hands, they look plenty wide, but when mounted on the ski they don't spread out as as much as you'd expect - as they spread out in order to clear the ski and deploy.
Maybe (hopefully) they've changed something for the better since last Spring. Mine were Blacks, BTW.
... Thom
Got mine in the mail yesterday, I guess I botched the template printing because my holes didn't line up. Gonna try and get them mounted tonight
eh I think the wildsnow templates are off by maybe a .5mm-1mm on the spacing. I had my first mount not %100 then corrected when I put inserts in.
2x4 mounting first is always good:smile:
Perhaps the biggest source of small errors I've found is in center punching. I use a fresh template for each ski, and most importantly, I put a pin hole in the center of each hole. This serves as a guide for the center punch.
Check the scale lines, compare against Powderguide templates, and of course against the bindings (as you did).
Lou's scale box is a bit small (40 mm?) and I can see a bit of scaling imprecision creeping in at that point. My scale lines are 5" long, and I use a dial indicator to verify.
I draw my own templates on a CAD tool, using the specs from both sites, and haven't had trouble, with my main problems having been from center punching errors - even with my templates.
Cheers,
Thom
I mounted my 120 brakes on my lotus 120 (which are 122 underfoot) and they fit fine. Strange that there's such a lack of consistency.Quote:
Originally Posted by galibier_numero_un
It was an actual printing error, had to uncheck "fit to page"Quote:
Originally Posted by NorCalNomad
I just did a 2x4 mount and they seemed really clunky in and out of modes. Is that normal?
What do you mean by "clunky"? There are super defined detents on the toe that might seem like a lot if you're coming from dynafit's little clicks.
That's probably itQuote:
Originally Posted by NorCalNomad
Took some measurements:
Front toe holes are 44mm apart
Rear toe holes are 40mm apart
Rear toe hole centerline is 65.5mm behind the front hole centerline
Heel holes are 28.0mm apart
Rear heel hole centerline is 60.1mm behind front heel hole centerline
These measurements won't help anyone locate the pattern on the ski, but you can use them to check your template scaling.
local shop owner just told me about next year's Vipec, same toe + alpine heel. anyone else hear tell of this yet?
said probably Jan '18
Well it's on TGR now so it has to be true.
Damn - that "secret" got out quick
So my 17 blue/black showed up and brakes are easily 115. Unless they tighten when mounting they will fit my countdown 110 nice
Unmounted, they seem huge. I'm curious how they deploy after you mount them.Quote:
Originally Posted by whyturn
... Thom
Fucking Rob Story.Quote:
Originally Posted by LeeLau
I'd imagine anyone who is on this thread also reads Wildsnow, but I'd figured I'd post this on here as well. Well the Tecton is definitely my next binding purchase. Especially because of this "Screw patterns for Tecton, Evo and prior Vipec are all the same". But bummed that the Evo's brake sizes only go up to 110 and not a 120 brake (but shit who knows what those values actually mean :rolleyes:). Wonder if just the arms would be interchangeable, seems like something the swiss would do.
https://www.wildsnow.com/21378/frits...-tecton-vipec/
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Also I've been putting more use into my Vipecs (2nd gen) inbound skiing wet Mt. Bachelor powder and they feel just as good as the Marker Tour's I was also using the days before in wet Bachelor and Mt. Ashland snow. Love them more every time I use them.
Pssst....there's a thread already
Any one have access to a binding test machine? I'm really curious what the locked toe tests at.
FYI: I bent my 115 brakes to fit my L138's. Almost ripped some ligaments while bending them (they're stiff!), but worked out in the end.
So I have about a half dozen days in on the Vipecs and I like them better than my previous Dynafit clamps. Would not want to run them full time inbounds, but for a travelling ski where I may be skiing lifts and touring this one works well for me.
I bought and have used the crampons and although they have more moving parts and weight than I would like they seem easy to work.
Question: Sometimes when I step out of the bindings the brakes remain locked up. They seem to have plenty of room to clear the skis when released and engaged. Concerned because if I release from the ski and the brake does not engage, run away potentially lost ski. Saw where bobby had filed his brakes for clearance, but I don't think this is a clearance issue. Any thoughts?
Try filing in these two places. I talk about it in the review I wrote for Blister Gear Review, but they didn't publish the photo for whatever reason. Be careful and go slowly. If you file away too much material, you can make it so that the brakes won't stay retracted when in tour mode. The tolerances are real tight on these parts and Fritschi hasn't perfected it yet. These areas can also pack with snow and sometimes cause the brakes to fail to deploy. I experienced this over the weekend. I might end up filing a bit more. It'd be cool to see a functional revision here for next season to make them deploy more reliably.
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cat and Lindahl I had the same issue the first 3 or 4 days I had them then the problem disappeared. I also shot those arms with grease and cycled them a few times to get them to deploy.
I'll have to try filing in that left place as I have that problem sometimes (or it only deploys 1/2 way). Had a nice downhill hike over in the west bowls of Bachelor before xmas because of that.
I hadn't thought about this from the perspective of material removal, but rather from a spring tension perspective. The problem with that of course (adjusting spring tension) is that these are stiff mothers, and if you compound this with trying to bend the brakes, it's quite the challenge to either maintain the tension (assuming your brakes deploy consistently), or to adjust it in order to improve the deployment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lindahl
Edit: looking at this further, I can see how the hang-up is occurring in the left, circled area - the flat surface. I definitely don't want to mess with the right (grooved) section after watching how it engages in the touring position.
... Thom
I have the sticky deployment w 108 brake on 112 ski, I've just started expecting it to happen so I knock it down with my pole.
Thanks guys for your thoughts
I have stick deployment on a 105 convert. Just mounted some on 103 Kufos, the same. Bent thebrakes on both. work fine on the Converts, time will tell on the Kufos.Quote:
Originally Posted by ticketchecker
I just inserted some Vector BC's for tee so I could also run the vipecs.
The Jigarex plate is on the way, and I have a 1/4 bit with a perfect size sleeve over it to fit a jig bushing. Going to go for inserts using the jig for the first time.
Anybody using Vipecs/inserts? Any unusual issues?
Been using inserts with my Vipecs most of the season. No issues.
Inserts on both my amperages and some volk 70mm waisted things. No problems with either.
Cool.
As much as I like learning from my own mistakes, I prefer learning from others' mistakes. When possible.