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Interesting podcast on how we got to where we are with all this:
http://www.wnyc.org/story/mr-graham-and-reasonable-man/
On a fall afternoon in 1984, Dethorne Graham ran into a convenience store for a bottle of orange juice. Minutes later he was unconscious, injured, and in police handcuffs. In this episode, we explore a case that sent two Charlotte lawyers on a quest for true objectivity, and changed the face of policing in the US.
not sure how much scotus has to do with it. while scotus in graham vs connor and tennessee vs garner established that an officer's use of force is judged by the standard of objective reasonableness. It's up to the trial jury to decide if the officer's behavior was reasonable--whether it was reasonable for him to fear for his life or for the safety of the community when using deadly force. In too many cases juries are deciding that obviously unreasonable fear is reasonable. It appears that the blackness of a subject is considered an adequate reason for an officer to fear for his life. Most jurors fear crime and black people more than they fear the police--until it is they or their loved one that is killed or injured by the police.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcski
I received my law degree from GSL--Google School of Law--like the rest of us.
I think if I have a reasonable fear that I might be shot by an leo then I should be able to murder him, I mean eliminate the threat, by shooting first. Sound reasonable?
maybe. https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...rugs.html?_r=0Quote:
Originally Posted by AaronWright
to make a very long story short--two different cases, officers killed during no knock searches by people who didn't know the intruders were police. And here's a surprise--grand juries did not indict the white guy, did indict the black guy who is awaiting trial for murder.
Yes he reached... and the police created the fucking situation. You have a terrified drunk guy who you have threatened to kill repeatedly and are shouting complex physical instructions at... anything short of perfect compliance is death... that is on the police.Quote:
Originally Posted by Elkhound Odin
My reference was to the scotus case that essentially made the exculpatory standard for police response to be "perceived threat". All the subsequent training and court cases have devolved from there, not that it was great prior to that.
The perception of threat has to be reasonable, per the supreme court. It is still up to the jury to decide what is reasonable. I think a lot of the cases that go to trial are overcharged--murder when a more appropriate charge might be involuntary manslaughter or the like. In most cases the officer is poorly trained, inherently fearful of black people, and unable to cope with a stressful situation. There are of course cases where murder is the appropriate charge--where the officer by his words or actions shows that he intended to kill an unarmed person. When the charge is too high juries are more likely to acquit in borderline cases. This is criminal law 101 at Google School of Law.Quote:
Originally Posted by mcski
What would help a lot of these situations would be for officers to be trained to be calm. You're a lot less likely to make a wrong but innocent move if the officer is not screaming at you and threatening to blow your fucking head off. I don't know why police think that screaming at someone is the best way to get them to comply. Something I've scene a lot in ER's with belligerent, generally drunk or mentally ill patients--officer screaming at the patient who is getting more and more agitated and confontational, then nurse--who might be a large man--comes in a calmly gets control of the patient and the situation.
Woman taking out the garbage is attacked by a deputized “officer”
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RiIEEQj3CCA
Young autistic boy is handcuffed and illegally detained while playing in a park
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uErofKXMwq0
Ha. What was he playing I wonderQuote:
Originally Posted by WTF is dat
Oh he was just walking in a public park
The police attacking public spaces since 1895
Why are his forearms bigger than his upper arms. Not desirablehttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...f22edbe183.png
That's officer Popeye.Quote:
Originally Posted by digitaldeath
updated picQuote:
Originally Posted by AaronWright
Looks like he wanted to get close the the guy with the plaid short shorts. A little forced frottage?Quote:
Originally Posted by digitaldeath
Nice tactical spectacles
Custom AR
Steroids
God complex
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So in the Mesa, AZ murder I asked myself why the cops respond to a 911 callers claims like an order and not something to investigate first?
Well in Kansas, some poor bastard answering his front door was shot dead by swat after some asshole in California called in a false hostage situation over an online gaming dispute. They didn’t even shoot the right gamer either.
If you don’t like someone just call swat, they’ll take care of him. Amazing idiots.
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.kansa...192147194.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-has-resigned/
He just had to do what was necessary to get home to his family.
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Give a pussy a gun and you still have a pussy.
Are you sure you would have done differently?Quote:
Originally Posted by Vt-Freeheel
I suppose it all depends on whether he's a pussy?Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
https://boingboing.net/2018/03/09/de...ex-wife-a.html
Deputy King told his ex-wife to delete the post. When she didn't, he requested a warrant to arrest both women on a charge of "intent to defame another, communicate false matter which tends to expose one who is alive to hatred, contempt, or ridicule, and which tends to provoke a breach of peace.
this really could be a daily thread
fifyQuote:
Originally Posted by digitaldeath
SAPD officer pulled out woman's tampon, did vaginal search on side of road, lawsuit claims.
https://www.ksat.com/news/sapd-offic...lawsuit-claims