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Towards the end of last season, I heat molded a replacement liner to fit in my 5 or 6 year old Lange boots. I then noticed that my heels were going numb often while skiing. I didn’t do anything about it last season and just had my first day today. I had forgotten about the issue but just like last season, my heels went numb after skiing for an hour or so and I had to take a few breaks in the lodge to get the circulation back. I’m wondering what I should do? Should I heat mold them again and make a little more room in that heel pocket area? How would I do that? Thanks!

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Originally Posted by gregL

It's not what I would call an "easy" punch but it's possible. You actually need to heat all three components (shell, cuff and tongue), then buckle the boot for stability and then punch. Malleolus punches need to be very accurate to be effective; I like to mark the spot on the liner with the foot inside, then put the liner in the shell and hold it apart from the shell with a screwdriver to determine the spot (good depth perception is critical). If the liner has been used a bunch, you can usually see a mark from the cuff rivet, in which case you can measure the distance manually (i.e. 37mm NNW). After you heat mold the GFT I would punch the spot again with the liner in the boot to thin out the Omfit in that area.

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Exactly what I needed, thanks for the detailed info!

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Originally Posted by Jongle

Exactly what I needed, thanks for the detailed info!

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Also doesn't hurt to stand there while the boot's on the press with gloves on or a flat stick in case one component (usually the tongue) starts to bow out; you can hold it down while the plastic cools.

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Originally Posted by The SnowShow

Towards the end of last season, I heat molded a replacement liner to fit in my 5 or 6 year old Lange boots. I then noticed that my heels were going numb often while skiing. I didn’t do anything about it last season and just had my first day today. I had forgotten about the issue but just like last season, my heels went numb after skiing for an hour or so and I had to take a few breaks in the lodge to get the circulation back. I’m wondering what I should do? Should I heat mold them again and make a little more room in that heel pocket area? How would I do that? Thanks!

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Bump…help!

Boots: Technico Zero G Pro (the previous version).

Problem: When walking/skinning my foot slides forward slightly. Over time I get pain where my navicular bone protrudes. It's worse on the right foot where I have more pronation and my navicular protrudes more. Skiing down hill.

What has helped: small punches and pads on either side of tongue, but these pads make the boos feel worse when skiing downhill.

Other details: These boots are a fairly snug fit for a touring boot. Apart from this issue, which seems variable from day to day. I love the fit and performance of these boot. But I'm getting fed up with this problem. My liners (intuition pro tour) are nearing the end of their life and it feels like this problem is getting worse. My footbeds are also rather old. Should I try tour wraps? Is it likely that new footbeds would reduce the navicular protrusion?

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This is hard to help with at a distance. Are the new liners the same as the original? If not they likely have too much volume somewhere.
What part of your heel? Find a nerve diagram and trace it back to find where it’s being compressed.
Then relieve that area.

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Originally Posted by I've seen black diamonds!

Boots: Technico Zero G Pro (the previous version).

Problem: When walking/skinning my foot slides forward slightly. Over time I get pain where my navicular bone protrudes. It's worse on the right foot where I have more pronation and my navicular protrudes more. Skiing down hill.

What has helped: small punches and pads on either side of tongue, but these pads make the boos feel worse when skiing downhill.

Other details: These boots are a fairly snug fit for a touring boot. Apart from this issue, which seems variable from day to day. I love the fit and performance of these boot. But I'm getting fed up with this problem. My liners (intuition pro tour) are nearing the end of their life and it feels like this problem is getting worse. My footbeds are also rather old. Should I try tour wraps? Is it likely that new footbeds would reduce the navicular protrusion?

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Small punches at the navicular help? Why not make them bigger? I assume you have a decent footbed to limit fore/aft movement and skin with the bottom two buckles closed? Not sure what you mean by pads on the tongue?

I wonder if flaring out the top of the cuff could be a solution for reducing heel slack. Maybe I have low calves that get pinched before the cuff tightens around the lower leg. I went to some renowned bootfitters, and they never mentioned anything about my calves being low.

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it can help. DO you feel presure on the back/upper part of the calf while in the boots?

worth trying a bit at a time Also lowering the cuff can work (if that is the problem)

No, I don’t really experience calf pressure unless I over-tighten the cuff.

I have custom orthotics with 7mm sole shims in my problem foot. After around 40 days in Intuitions, I’ve noticed that I can contort my foot so my heel lifts and twists. It feels like the extra space is where the yellow line is. In front of the angle where the foot bends. Sorry my boot fitter anatomy is lacking. The original Mercury liners were great, but they’ve been out of production for a long time.

Has anyone tried a reverse punch? I’m experimenting with clamps to see if I can get a better fit.
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sounds like the intuition liner was too thin, or low density?

Maybe add some foam to the liner in that spot?

dave

Recommendations for a non wide boot with a wide toe box? One foot of mine is rather square, a pain in the ass, and stays 95mm wide at the sixth toe. Widest part of foot it 102mm. I have a fair amount of instep when I wear my orthos and don’t let the arches fall. I will be having a new pair of insoles made. 26.5 mondo is a what I measure for length.

I know a very competent boot fitter, but my wife says I am his biggest pain in the ass needy whiny little buttercup already, so I thought I would share the love here before I bug him more.

I am eyeballing the Lange LX 130 HV because it is 102 and its reviews. Wouldn’t mind a walk mode too though so looking at some Rossi’s. 120 flex is probably the lightest I could get away with. Not looking for a touring boot.

get a boot that fits the rest of the non-wide part and a supportive footbed, and make the rest wider as needed?

Fit for the smaller parts of the foot

Any thoughts on what you might consider to alleviate painful pressure at the level of the power strap?

Mrs ::: ::: has been plagued by boot pain the last few years such that she’s gone through multiple boots and boot fittings and is miserable spending 5secs in ski boots. She skied 2.5 days last year.

We went over to Evo yesterday and every boot she put on put her in immediate pain. Right leg was worse than left. But both legs have this pressure point. Her tibialis anterior muscle is kinda meaty, but it’s been that way ever since I’ve known her over 30yrs. I’m not sure why it would suddenly cause problems pressuring the front of a ski boot.

What’s funny is that her feet are pretty narrow and bony and she’s got a significant bunion that should make fitting the clog part a challenge. But she never even got that far. The fitter she was with was pretty stumped. She tried overlap boots, cabrio boot, wrap liner…nothing seemed to alleviate that spot. The wrap liner was very slightly better, but that boot had hinge hardware landing right on her ankle bone that wasn’t going to work anyway.

She basically can’t put shin pressure against the front of the boot. As she tried boots, it reminded her that the few ski days she did do, she recalls constantly trying to stand up in the boot to relieve the pain all the time.

I think the last time she was fully comfortable in a ski boot was likely 8 yrs ago. It seems reasonable that the body might change over time, but this particular pain seems almost like she won’t be able to ski at all. I joked that she could consider snowboarding for the comfy boots. But seriously, is there something that can help?

Sounds like shin bang, resulting from too much play in the shin area. It can get very tender over time. I had that problem with a pair of boots and started using Booster Straps. They are stretchy so you can really crank the strap tight. I know that sounds counterintuitive to go tighter to alleviate pain but you need to prevent the shin from "banging" against the front of the boot with every turn.

That's one possibility, anyway. Good luck with it.

Can shin bang hang around for years tho?
Her shins are otherwise not bruised or seemingly sensitive

this sounds like a her thing and not a boot thing?

but I would get a physio, or GP to look a her shin, as most people can take some pressure on the shin

Alright
I was hoping maybe there was something to adjust
But it is a bit depressing that this might be a somewhat unfixable issue (from the equipment side)

She’ll have to decide how much she wants to ski & pursue a medical opinion

Thx, all

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Alright
I was hoping maybe there was something to adjust
But it is a bit depressing that this might be a somewhat unfixable issue (from the equipment side)

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Try a Masterfit Eliminator shin guard before you give up: https://www.amazon.com/Masterfit-Eli...07Y7P9GX3?th=1

I’ll share that with her, thank you!

Boots: Lange RX 130 MV
Problem: Pressure/rubbing on the right lateral malleolus

Hi,

I was fitted for these boots last season, including custom footbeds, and the boot fitter made adjustments to accommodate my high instep (e.g., cutting a diamond shape in the liner’s elastic and grinding the boot’s baseboard). Despite these modifications, I’m still experiencing some pressure on my instep but the pain is now mostly around my right lateral malleolus, particularly at the base of the bone. The pain seems to alleviate when I flex the boot.

I plan to return to the boot fitter, but I’m hesitant about doing a shell punch if the issue stems from my heel sitting too low in the heel pocket. Would it be worth trying to add a shim under my heel at home first to address the positioning?

Thanks for any advice!

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Originally Posted by Flippo

Boots: Lange RX 130 MV
Problem: Pressure/rubbing on the right lateral malleolus

Hi,

I was fitted for these boots last season, including custom footbeds, and the boot fitter made adjustments to accommodate my high instep (e.g., cutting a diamond shape in the liner’s elastic and grinding the boot’s baseboard). Despite these modifications, I’m still experiencing some pressure on my instep but the pain is now mostly around my right lateral malleolus, particularly at the base of the bone. The pain seems to alleviate when I flex the boot.

I plan to return to the boot fitter, but I’m hesitant about doing a shell punch if the issue stems from my heel sitting too low in the heel pocket. Would it be worth trying to add a shim under my heel at home first to address the positioning?

Thanks for any advice!

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why not try something that is 100% reversiable? Give the fitter more info too.

Is the liner tongue adjustable higher?

thin socks?

toe buckles 100% open?

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Originally Posted by Hood26

Recommendations for a non wide boot with a wide toe box? One foot of mine is rather square, a pain in the ass, and stays 95mm wide at the sixth toe. Widest part of foot it 102mm. I have a fair amount of instep when I wear my orthos and don’t let the arches fall. I will be having a new pair of insoles made. 26.5 mondo is a what I measure for length.

I know a very competent boot fitter, but my wife says I am his biggest pain in the ass needy whiny little buttercup already, so I thought I would share the love here before I bug him more.

I am eyeballing the Lange LX 130 HV because it is 102 and its reviews. Wouldn’t mind a walk mode too though so looking at some Rossi’s. 120 flex is probably the lightest I could get away with. Not looking for a touring boot.

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Your foot is quite narrow. Stay away from high volume boots. The Salomon alpha is a low volume boot with a wide toe box.

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Originally Posted by mntlion

why not try something that is 100% reversiable? Give the fitter more info too.

Is the liner tongue adjustable higher?

thin socks?

toe buckles 100% open?

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Originally Posted by mntlion

why not try something that is 100% reversiable? Give the fitter more info too.

Is the liner tongue adjustable higher?

thin socks?

toe buckles 100% open?

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Yep, I am trying to tweak things at home before going to the boot fitter. I am not trusting myself enough to do some irreversible changes.
I have the stock liners:
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I keep the bottom 2 buckles very loose (barely enough for them to stay closed).
For the ankle pressure I feel that the custom insole lift my heel too much and that I am about 2cm above the center of the heel pocket.
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