Wildfire ‘24

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Originally Posted by I Skied Bandini Mountain

There's been a huge influx of resources today, and the conditions are better and the terrain is different. They have room to fight it from air and ground before it reaches structures. When a fire starts in Brentwood or the Palisades, it's already in a neighborhood and it's all about structure protection, and without air support, that can mean triaging whole streets of homes if there's no defense.

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I hope you are right and the heli drops Ive been seeing is proving your point and a great sign.

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Originally Posted by Boomer28

Not it isn't. Our reservoirs are basically full and LA county/city are at 100% full recall of all fire personnel. My buddy is volunteer out of Malibu and they are asking for ex-military/retired/any fire experience volunteers. Estimates are 3k+ fire fighters deployed. The wind gusted to almost 100mph. Add to that the topography of PP, and the hills in general makes digging containment lines next to impossible. The feedback loop on the wind is no fixed wing or helos can fly so it's all boots on ground. Gravity fed tanks which started full quickly ran down as they tapped hundreds of hydrants.

The blame game at this point is legit retard behavior. If LA had 10x the fire fighters this still would have happened. I've lived here 13 years and never seen wind like the last 48 hours and I now 50+ year residents who say the same. This was the proverbial perfect storm of dry conditions and insane Santa Anna winds. The heroics of the FD and others to even do as much as they have in such impossible conditions is what needs to be focused on.

This will take decades to rebuild from. I personally know over 20 people who have lost homes and we have a family in route to our place right now who have the shirts on their backs with them. Please consider donations to the red cross or other high efficiency charities. I told work to fuck off and am heading up with a chef friend to a ghost kitchen to cook meals for people at first light. Please do what you can or able to. Pray to whatever god your belive in/send vibes. We need it.

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I don't understand your point, maybe are you guessing that because I stated they don't have the resources to contain this, I am criticizing LA or playing the blame game? Because that's not true. I'm just saying they don't have the resources for this fire, and you said the same thing. I know why it's overwhelming for everyone to fight.

Good luck out there, it's been sad to watch.

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Originally Posted by Boomer28

Not it isn't. Our reservoirs are basically full and LA county/city are at 100% full recall of all fire personnel. My buddy is volunteer out of Malibu and they are asking for ex-military/retired/any fire experience volunteers. Estimates are 3k+ fire fighters deployed. The wind gusted to almost 100mph. Add to that the topography of PP, and the hills in general makes digging containment lines next to impossible. The feedback loop on the wind is no fixed wing or helos can fly so it's all boots on ground. Gravity fed tanks which started full quickly ran down as they tapped hundreds of hydrants.

The blame game at this point is legit retard behavior. If LA had 10x the fire fighters this still would have happened. I've lived here 13 years and never seen wind like the last 48 hours and I now 50+ year residents who say the same. This was the proverbial perfect storm of dry conditions and insane Santa Anna winds. The heroics of the FD and others to even do as much as they have in such impossible conditions is what needs to be focused on.

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This.

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This will take decades to rebuild from. I personally know over 20 people who have lost homes and we have a family in route to our place right now who have the shirts on their backs with them. Please consider donations to the red cross or other high efficiency charities. I told work to fuck off and am heading up with a chef friend to a ghost kitchen to cook meals for people at first light. Please do what you can or able to. Pray to whatever god your belive in/send vibes. We need it.

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Good on ya.

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Originally Posted by bodywhomper

The southern fire “control objective” today for the Eaton Fire (near Altadena and Pasadena) was I-210. Lots and lots of homes and structures between the wildlands, where the fire was burning, downwind to the highway. The afternoon fire perimeter map (on watch duty) showed that WFF had kept it out of the downwind adjacent suburbs, which is remarkable.

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This didn’t age well :(.

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Originally Posted by muted reborn

Gladstones was shown on fire and being put out by the fire department a couple hours ago. I think it was saved.

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Someone posted on the Interwebs that it’s gone….

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Originally Posted by seano732

Someone posted on the Interwebs that it’s gone….

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I think it's still there. A bit toasted in the back.

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Originally Posted by muted reborn

I hope you are right and the heli drops Ive been seeing is proving your point and a great sign.



I don't understand your point, maybe are you guessing that because I stated they don't have the resources to contain this, I am criticizing LA or playing the blame game? Because that's not true. I'm just saying they don't have the resources for this fire, and you said the same thing. I know why it's overwhelming for everyone to fight.

Good luck out there, it's been sad to watch.

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Understood, thanks for clarifying. I caught up with my FF buddy this morning and he said they were almost overrun multiple times, the speed at which this thing moved shocked everybody involved.

On the plus side the winds were super calm this morning and I'm seeing a ton of air assets hitting both the PP and Hollywood from where I'm at. Winds supposed to pick back up later but hopefully they can make some progress in the interim.

I just saw a video and Gladstone's is still standing.

But the Palisades has literally been wiped off the map.

Good coverage in the Times, including this interactive map: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/...alifornia.html

A friend sent this sat image of Altadena. He and another friend each lost their homes there.

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Truly mindboggling destruction. It is like a bomb went off in Altadena…like we had an air raid and we’re at war.

Our CFO works in Denver, but his wife and kids were still in their house in Palisades. They’re waiting until after the school year to move. A buddy face-timed him yesterday and he watched his house burn down from our office.


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Wife’s family in Hidden Hills/Calabasas just evac’ed with the Kenneth Fire bearing down on that neighborhood. Hoping that one doesn’t grow fast. Lots of memories there.

Fucking moron drone pilot takes a Canadian super scooper that was working on the L.A. fires out of service.

https://dronexl.co/2025/01/09/drone-.../?fsp_sid=4404

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Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong

Fucking moron drone pilot takes a Canadian super scooper that was working on the L.A. fires out of service.

https://dronexl.co/2025/01/09/drone-.../?fsp_sid=4404

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Jesus
Fucking
Christ!

People are such fucking idiots.

Fairly updated (afternoon and evening) fire perimeter maps are up on watch duty. The Eaton fire is pretty close to I-280 and edging closer Monrovia.

My recently widowed mother upped her anti on her go-bag and now keeping it in her car.

I thought this post from Dr Kolden on Bluesky was interesting:

https://bsky.app/profile/pyrogeog.bs.../3lfd7je7gw22l


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Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper

Jesus
Fucking
Christ!

People are such ignorant assholes.

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FIFY

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Originally Posted by Meadow Skipper

Jesus
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Christ!

People are such fucking idiots.

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Drew Tabke said on IG he's heard many helis had to stop and land because of drones last night. He's monitoring some responder radio I guess.

I don't see how the footage is useful when people will report you if you post it.

going forward you'd think they'd probably really up the their prescribed burn frequency. Some big policy changes coming to building code, vegetation and management of lands.

Prescribed burns are tricky, especially in areas as densely populated as southern California.

You really can't do prescribed burns in chapparal around neighborhoods. The vegetation has evolved to burn fast and hot as a normal fire cycle. Manzanita has evolved to literally burn its competitors for water and light to death and then grow back fast to take advantage of the room, until it needs to burn again in a few years to make room again. And forget mechanical thinning (aka "raking" the forest ala the orange shitstain), even if you could do that in terrain with stacked up topo lines, you're just recreating the fire cycle and it will grow right back and be ready to burn again in a few years.

The solution will have to be rebuilding with defensible space, fire resistant construction, and moving to a "shelter in place" response instead of mass evacuations like they've started to in Australia.

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Originally Posted by NBABUCKS1

going forward you'd think they'd probably really up the their prescribed burn frequency. Some big policy changes coming to building code, vegetation and management of lands.

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This isn't far-out forest lands where they do the burn mitigation on the reg. This is dense, urban hillsides that have all this dead brush that grows up every winter/spring. It's in close proximity to homes, schools, businesses, etc. The USFS looses control of prescribed burns from time to time in way out there parts so imagine them starting a smaller version of what happened just this week. Best case is having ash/smoke all over these neighborhoods and a bunch of pissed off citizens.

There are already insurance-mandated defensible space regs (Tahoe peeps know this life well) which I'm sure will be beefed up, but a lot of the terrain here, again is like fucking Afghanistan. I used to mountain bike up off Mandeville to dirt Mulholland and down the Temescal single track and the other fire roads. We're talking slopes in excess of 45 degrees all over, skree, rocks, loose dirt/sand, etc. I dropped my water bottle once and it took me almost an hour to retrieve...

Changes are coming but I'm thinking the main one will be updated construction standards to make the structures effectively fire proof.

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Originally Posted by NBABUCKS1

going forward you'd think they'd probably really up the their prescribed burn frequency. Some big policy changes coming to building code, vegetation and management of lands.

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This isn't far-out forest lands where they do the burn mitigation on the reg. This is dense, urban hillsides that have all this dead brush that grows up every winter/spring. It's in close proximity to homes, schools, businesses, etc. The USFS looses control of prescribed burns from time to time in way out there parts so imagine them starting a smaller version of what happened just this week. Best case is having ash/smoke all over these neighborhoods and a bunch of pissed off citizens.

There are already insurance-mandated defensible space regs (Tahoe peeps know this life well) which I'm sure will be beefed up, but a lot of the terrain here, again is like fucking Afghanistan. I used to mountain bike up off Mandeville to dirt Mulholland and down the Temescal single track and the other fire roads. We're talking slopes in excess of 45 degrees all over, skree, rocks, loose dirt/sand, etc. I dropped my water bottle once and it took me almost an hour to retrieve...

Changes are coming but I'm thinking the main one will be updated construction standards to make the structures effectively fire proof.

Is the high end property really worth anything? It's uninsurable, taxed to the tits. Who will rebuild and can that area command that premium?

Seems like a huge reality check on ultra wealthy enclaves?

https://www.reuters.com/breakingview...es-2025-01-09/

The rich will be able to rebuild.

But there are plenty of people living in Palisades who are not rich, who live there because they or their family bought homes there many decades ago when it was more affordable. They will rely on insurance to re-build, if they have it (and they do not get fucked over by insurance). If not, they will probably be forced to sell. And the rich and/or predatory developers will swoop in and buy those properties. The land will still have value. Hopefully those residents get a decent enough return they can buy elsewhere.

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Originally Posted by byates1

Is the high end property really worth anything? It's uninsurable, taxed to the tits. Who will rebuild and can that area command that premium?

Seems like a huge reality check on ultra wealthy enclaves?

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This isn't the first fire to go through here. I could drive through that area and point out which houses have been rebuilt after which fire and in many cases, fires (plural).

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Originally Posted by evdog

The rich will be able to rebuild.

But there are plenty of people living in Palisades who are not rich, who live there because they or their family bought homes there many decades ago when it was more affordable. They will rely on insurance to re-build, if they have it (and they do not get fucked over by insurance). If not, they will probably be forced to sell. And the rich and/or predatory developers will swoop in and buy those properties. The land will still have value. Hopefully those residents get a decent enough return they can buy elsewhere.

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Larry Ellison owns at least a dozen places on Carbon beach, the strip along the water that got wiped out. He'll rebuild and probably pick up more places while he's at it.

But that's true in the Palisades, I'm betting there were a lot of underinsured places in regards to present property values and rebuilding costs. Someone I went to school with got burned over in the Palisades, their home was valued at around $5 million. A lot of that appreciation happened in the last few years, if they were to try to rebuild for $2.5 million, with current building costs, no way will they be able to recreate what they had.

Seems most likely that insurance company will do everything.in their power to deny/lowball. Like mentioned above the long term residences which have swen the most appreciation will suffer. I'm betting a ton of wealthy ppl call it and bounce. Build /buy in a different place.

Yet another opportunity for wealth to move from the less fortunate to the very well off.

https://youtu.be/OoZQMv_Ke_0?si=tvXq1BbvX9XIjh1G

Oracle de Rogaine

Wow, a Joe Rogan prediction that everyone knows already and has already happened before.

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Originally Posted by I Skied Bandini Mountain

Wow, a Joe Rogan prediction that everyone knows already and has already happened before.

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This. What a fuckin' dope. :rolleyes:

Resentful

I think I'll start referring to Rogan as Nostradumbass. :D

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Originally Posted by byates1

Resentful

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Here, learn something. https://www.lafire.com/famous_fires/...gaIncident.htm

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Originally Posted by byates1

Is the high end property really worth anything? It's uninsurable, taxed to the tits. Who will rebuild and can that area command that premium?

Seems like a huge reality check on ultra wealthy enclaves?

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California property, famously highly taxed on appreciation

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Originally Posted by I Skied Bandini Mountain

Here, learn something. https://www.lafire.com/famous_fires/...gaIncident.htm

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Joe Rogan predicted you would post this

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Originally Posted by dunfree

California property, famously highly taxed on appreciation

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They get to rebuild and maintain their current tax rates as long as the rebuild is largely the same as what was there.

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Originally Posted by byates1

Joe Rogan predicted you would post this

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Joe Rogan can actually read.

^ not only that but he is an Oracle. And also has a podcast.