Alec Baldwin WTF

There's much dodging of the primary failure. Baldwin pointed a gun at humans (and pulled the trigger). I'm around guns very rarely and don't know shit about them. However, we all know you never point a gun at a human, and only shoot things we intend to kill (usually targets). Baldwin violated both prime rules. His responsibility to be damn sure he had a good reason for each of those violations. He shot two humans, killing one. That's the main story here.

As for the secondary responsibility, some of it properly falls up the line, on those driving the budget pressure. Perhaps most of it. Sadly they'll never be charged.

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Originally Posted by LongShortLong

There's much dodging of the primary failure. Baldwin pointed a gun at humans (and pulled the trigger). I'm around guns very rarely and don't know shit about them. However, we all know you never point a gun at a human, and only shoot things we intend to kill (usually targets). Baldwin violated both prime rules. His responsibility to be damn sure he had a good reason for each of those violations. He shot two humans, killing one. That's the main story here.

As for the secondary responsibility, some of it properly falls up the line, on those driving the budget pressure. Perhaps most of it. Sadly they'll never be charged.

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Primary failure is that there was a weapon capable of firing a bullet/blank wad on the set. Eliminate that and this never happens.

Secondary is the humans involved.

Next time your watch John Wick, try to count how many times guns were pointed at other humans. Some of it is camera angles, but almost any action blaster movie will inevitable have a gun pointed in the direction of another person. I’m sure they’re getting better at faking the angles like punches in a boxing movie.

The most surprising thing to me is that in 100 plus years of actors pointing guns at ea other there have only been a handful of serious injuries /deaths

I'm pretty sure pointing a gun at someone and pulling the trigger was in the script

some movies have literally hundreds of guns but for some reason this armorer lost control of 1 gun

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Originally Posted by LongShortLong

There's much dodging of the primary failure. Baldwin pointed a gun at humans (and pulled the trigger). I'm around guns very rarely and don't know shit about them. However, we all know you never point a gun at a human, and only shoot things we intend to kill (usually targets). Baldwin violated both prime rules. His responsibility to be damn sure he had a good reason for each of those violations. He shot two humans, killing one. That's the main story here.

As for the secondary responsibility, some of it properly falls up the line, on those driving the budget pressure. Perhaps most of it. Sadly they'll never be charged.

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Lawyering up. Pretty much a basic right under the constitution.

Think of the interrogation as a series of "when did you stop beating your wife" questions. "Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law."

Represented a fellow who thought it was a good idea to take a polygraph despite my repeated advice against. Polygraphs are supposed to be a series of about 8 questions in a very controlled manner. An hour later he was still in the booth getting grilled and saying stupid stuff.

"Those 7/11 guys were fkn serious, man!"

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Originally Posted by TNKen

Best one I've seen is a theory that it was a Trump conspiracy to put the loaded gun in the set as payback for Baldwin being an Anti-Trumper.

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Trump laughing his ass off somewhere.

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Originally Posted by LongShortLong

There's much dodging of the primary failure. Baldwin pointed a gun at humans (and pulled the trigger). I'm around guns very rarely and don't know shit about them. However, we all know you never point a gun at a human, and only shoot things we intend to kill (usually targets). Baldwin violated both prime rules. His responsibility to be damn sure he had a good reason for each of those violations. He shot two humans, killing one. That's the main story here.

As for the secondary responsibility, some of it properly falls up the line, on those driving the budget pressure. Perhaps most of it. Sadly they'll never be charged.

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Baldwin was being paid to point a gun at/near people and pull the trigger. The “violation” you are describing happens on every set that includes an unholstered gun.

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Originally Posted by XXX-er

some movies have literally hundreds of guns but for some reason this armorer lost control of 1 gun

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Loony conspiracy theories aside, if you're an armorer and you lose control of one gun, you've lost control of all of them.

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Originally Posted by cinnepa

Trump laughing his ass off somewhere.

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And that says something about a man, that he would take delight in an event that got someone killed.

Baldwin "lawyering up" implies that he didn't have a lawyer, and now he does.

I'm guessing a guy like Baldwin has a lawyer on retainer at all times. Although to be fair, he's probably adding some fresh faces to his legal team these days.

The whole "plinking" thing still annoys me. Maybe they should only allow crew members to go do recreational shooting during breaks when it's a romantic comedy or a teen coming-of-age drama; then, if a loaded gun finds its way onto the set, everyone will be "holy shit! there's a goddamn GUN in here! everybody stop what you're doing and keep your eye on it until it's taken care of!!" Whereas in a film like Rust, hey whatever it's just a prop.

But no, I was reading that they were in the desert, so of course everybody expects to go plinking at every opportunity. Really? I was in the desert just last weekend, Panamint Valley. I had a great time, and the only plinking I did involved dampening small patches of ground.

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Originally Posted by muted reborn

I'm not paying close attention to every news release but the plinking story has not been proved as fact by any reputable news source, it's a rumor that may have come from other crew members using personal guns to plink some other time.

Ot it might be true and already proven as fact and I'm wrong.

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Originally Posted by bobz

The whole "plinking" thing still annoys me. Maybe they should only allow crew members to go do recreational shooting during breaks when it's a romantic comedy or a teen coming-of-age drama; then, if a loaded gun finds its way onto the set, everyone will be "holy shit! there's a goddamn GUN in here! everybody stop what you're doing and keep your eye on it until it's taken care of!!" Whereas in a film like Rust, hey whatever it's just a prop.

But no, I was reading that they were in the desert, so of course everybody expects to go plinking at every opportunity. Really? I was in the desert just last weekend, Panamint Valley. I had a great time, and the only plinking I did involved dampening small patches of ground.

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Originally Posted by bobz

The whole "plinking" thing still annoys me. Maybe they should only allow crew members to go do recreational shooting during breaks when it's a romantic comedy or a teen coming-of-age drama; then, if a loaded gun finds its way onto the set, everyone will be "holy shit! there's a goddamn GUN in here! everybody stop what you're doing and keep your eye on it until it's taken care of!!" Whereas in a film like Rust, hey whatever it's just a prop.

But no, I was reading that they were in the desert, so of course everybody expects to go plinking at every opportunity. Really? I was in the desert just last weekend, Panamint Valley. I had a great time, and the only plinking I did involved dampening small patches of ground.

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Agreed, but that is if it's true. SO much floating around in the rumor mill, that it's going to take a lengthy investigation and ensuing court case to flesh out what is hopefully the truth.

HOWEVER, if the stories surrounding crew members shooting the gun for fun earlier are indeed true, then that's a pretty huge WTF moment. I love shooting guns as much as the next guy, but if there's a freaking film production going on, then actual shooting has zero business being anywhere remotely close to the site. Let alone doing it with "props." /captainobvious

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Originally Posted by LongShortLong

There's much dodging of the primary failure. Baldwin pointed a gun at humans (and pulled the trigger). I'm around guns very rarely and don't know shit about them. However, we all know you never point a gun at a human, and only shoot things we intend to kill (usually targets). Baldwin violated both prime rules. His responsibility to be damn sure he had a good reason for each of those violations. He shot two humans, killing one. That's the main story here.

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The main story here is that you've somehow gone through life without ever seeing a single movie or tv show with firearms. That's impressive. Nicely done.

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Originally Posted by MontuckyFried

Agreed, but that is if it's true. SO much floating around in the rumor mill, that it's going to take a lengthy investigation and ensuing court case to flesh out what is hopefully the truth.

HOWEVER, if the stories surrounding crew members shooting the gun for fun earlier are indeed true, then that's a pretty huge WTF moment. I love shooting guns as much as the next guy, but if there's a freaking film production going on, then actual shooting has zero business being anywhere remotely close to the site. Let alone doing it with "props." /captainobvious

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THIS. If I want to go plinking I'll use my own damned gun, not company property.... especially something EVERYONE KNOWS should be quarantined/kept 100% secure when not being used for the purpose it's there for..

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Originally Posted by kathleenturneroverdrive

The main story here is that you've somehow gone through life without ever seeing a single movie or tv show with firearms. That's impressive. Nicely done.

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I've also seen plenty of movies with dinosaurs. And car crashes, and spaceships blowing up.

Pwew pwew pwew!

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Pwew pwew pwew!

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Yes! Seems looking down the barrel of a cowboy pistol should be as safe or safer than an incoming photon torpedo. "Should be."

You should check out Pulp Fiction and Bad Boys 2 to start

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Originally Posted by bobz

The whole "plinking" thing still annoys me. Maybe they should only allow crew members to go do recreational shooting during breaks when it's a romantic comedy or a teen coming-of-age drama; then, if a loaded gun finds its way onto the set, everyone will be "holy shit! there's a goddamn GUN in here! everybody stop what you're doing and keep your eye on it until it's taken care of!!" Whereas in a film like Rust, hey whatever it's just a prop.

But no, I was reading that they were in the desert, so of course everybody expects to go plinking at every opportunity. Really? I was in the desert just last weekend, Panamint Valley. I had a great time, and the only plinking I did involved dampening small patches of ground.

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Look at it this way bob: If everyone was just like you, the line for the shitter would be outrageous.

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Originally Posted by highangle

Look at it this way bob: If everyone was just like you, the line for the shitter would be outrageous.

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I'll pass. Gonna get in the lines for your mom's though.

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Originally Posted by mcski

Next time your watch John Wick, try to count how many times guns were pointed at other humans. Some of it is camera angles, but almost any action blaster movie will inevitable have a gun pointed in the direction of another person. I’m sure they’re getting better at faking the angles like punches in a boxing movie.

The most surprising thing to me is that in 100 plus years of actors pointing guns at ea other there have only been a handful of serious injuries /deaths

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Originally Posted by k2skier112

I'm surprised more mistakes didn't happen in the olden days
The radical GQP alt reich conspiracy theorists needs to choke on a bag of dicks

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Do ya feel lucky?
The most powerful handgun in the worldz!

I remember seeing the Uzi that shot blanks in the Sharper Image catalog in the early 80s and thought it would be funny to go shoot it off in my Jr high front office on 4/1. I didn't really think that through very well and fortunately I didn't have the money or an adult who would have purchased it for me.

Instead, my Sr year in high school a bunch of us got pulled over by the police at gunpoint because we were brandishing "weapons". It turns out driving around with five guys hanging out of a buddy's Fiat convertible with those battery powered Uzi squirt guns is a bad idea.

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Originally Posted by riser3

Instead, my Sr year in high school a bunch of us got pulled over by the police at gunpoint because we were brandishing "weapons". It turns out driving around with five guys hanging out of a buddy's Fiat convertible with those battery powered Uzi squirt guns is a bad idea.

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Holy shit, I remember those things! I had the M-16. Those things looked real, pre-bright orange tip mandate and all, I'm surprised more kids didn't get shot walking around with them.

As an aside to whatever has been going on here for the last 16 pages that I haven't checked, I saw something this last week regarding gun safety that truly shocked me.

I was at a sporting clays event at a very swank shooting "plantation" that counts Arthur Blank among their members. They had their club pros out and about on the sporting clays course offering advice to all who wanted it.

One woman in our group had never shot before so one of the pros, a fucking 4 time Olympian, took her to the practice range to walk her through the basics while the rest of our group observed waiting for the clays to start. Homeboy preaches safety, safety, safety throughout the entire lesson; great. When he gets to the part about making sure the chamber and magazine of her loaner semiauto Benelli were clear before and after shooting, he tells her to check for obstructions as well and then proceeds to stare down the barrel of the shotgun from the business end.

All I could think of was that video of the Bill Dance looking motherfucker who blew his University of Tennessee hat clean off his head while doing an instructional video doing the same thing.

I told her there were better ways to do that afterwards and trust me, I'm only an occasional shooter, not an Olympian, but come on. I guess the point is, no matter how much money you have, or how much you surround yourself with experienced pros, people are still fucking idiots.

The reason there hasn't been more gun accidents on sets is because there is millions or hundreds of millions of dollars on the line. There is a set of strict rules unique to every department so shit runs smoothly in an insanely organized way.

I wonder how the Rust producers will frame this so they can finish shooting and get their money.

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Originally Posted by highangle

Look at it this way bob: If everyone was just like you, the line for the shitter would be outrageous.

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Buh?? It would seem that more people peeing on the ground would shorten bathroom lines, if anything. Also, not a lot of shitters in the rather vast Panamint Valley, line or not, so I'm guessing nearly everyone hanging out in Panamint is just like me, in terms of bathroom habits anyway...
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There was a post on pay earlier, I don't know how they go that number. When my wife and I were working props and set decorating, we were indie. It wasn't easy to get into the unions back then, being born into it was the traditional way. So we negotiated our own contracts for the videos, commercials and movies we worked on. Typical day rate was for a 10 hour base, 10-12 hours was 1 1/2x hour rate, 12 hours and above was 2x. So if we negotiated a $500/day rate, that was based on a 10 hour day which rarely happened. 12-14 hour days were normal. 16-18 hour days were not unheard of - coked up directors made for long days. You want stories? We worked on Adam's Family Groove and 2 Legit 2 Quit videos with MC Hammer. There's podcasts about that fiasco and it's all true. We were working 18 hour days with a mandatory 8 hour turn around. The schedule was so fucked up by the end of a week it wasn't funny.

Base pay was only part of the package, we also rented our own tool kit to the production, that could be another $200 or more per day in the pocket, and we got reimbursed for expendables like spray paint, screws, whatever. And for commercials, we could also make money on the props and decorations. Typically we rented those with the money for rentals coming out of the budget. There's a shit ton of prop houses all over LA and the valley, you could find literally anything, and we did. You name it, we could find it. But say the gag for the commercial was a camping scene. "Hey, we need a new tent" says my wife. So we'd go buy four tents, do a dog and pony show with production, and they'd pick the tent they liked. We returned the other three tents and rent the tent they chose to the production. We'd buy a $300 tent, rent it to the job for $100 a day on a four day shoot, and then keep the tent and pocket $100. We'd do that with kitchen stuff, pretty much anything. Wardrobe would do it with clothes. There was a pretty famous production designer who did it with a set of authentic Stickley furniture.

But even though the pay was great, the hours sucked. And you didn't take time off or complain about conditions because there was a line of people waiting to take your place. Add in an expensive house and the inevitable divorce settlement and child support because the hours and location shoots chewed families up, getting chained to the job was pretty easy. The trades were a hell of a way to make a living, but that was 30 years ago and maybe it's changed, but it doesn't sound like it with IATSE threating a strike for the same shit we were going through back then.

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Originally Posted by kathleenturneroverdrive

The main story here is that you've somehow gone through life without ever seeing a single movie or tv show with firearms. That's impressive. Nicely done.

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Haha

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Originally Posted by BmillsSkier

Holy shit, I remember those things! I had the M-16. Those things looked real, pre-bright orange tip mandate and all, I'm surprised more kids didn't get shot walking around with them.

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No orange tips in my day. 1987.

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Originally Posted by riser3

No orange tips in my day. 1987.

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Orange tips came mid 90s I wanna say cause I can remember spray painting over a couple.

Man kids can be stupid.

Not sure if I should post here or the ECRC thread. Alec Baldwin spotted getting pizza at Christo's.
https://nypost.com/2021/10/28/alec-b...-england-town/

Not clicking on post or paparazzi pics.

Then don't.

But you know you want to.

It's gonna bug you all day now.

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

Then don't.

But you know you want to.

It's gonna bug you all day now.

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Love ya man, but I actually won't. Paparazzi are shit stains on society.

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Originally Posted by I Skied Bandini Mountain

Paparazzi are shit stains on society.

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There's a dynamic with actors and paparazzi. We have an actress friend (not Snooki) who's publicist will call a photographer to take pictures of her on vacation or someplace. The picture is made to look a bit less composed to seem like it was a spy shot.
It's a game, and actors and actresses are being hypocritical when they don't want their picture taken at other times.

I used to work in the business, still have friends that do, I know the game. Paparazzi are still shit stains on society.

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Originally Posted by SumJongGuy

THIS. If I want to go plinking I'll use my own damned gun, not company property.... especially something EVERYONE KNOWS should be quarantined/kept 100% secure when not being used for the purpose it's there for..

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What if you don’t have your own 1880’s replica wheel gun. And you the star and producer of the movie. Who else could get their hands on it ?

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Originally Posted by Timberridge

Not sure if I should post here or the ECRC thread. Alec Baldwin spotted getting pizza at Christo's.
https://nypost.com/2021/10/28/alec-b...-england-town/

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I saw Donald Sutherland pumping gas in St Johnsbury once (roughly 15 years ago). I didn't take any photos because I'm not a stalker and feel like even celebrities are still people and deserve some amount of time to be themselves and go about their business.

Christo's is just ok.

Alec should have bought an Ooni to the Airbnb