~1300g boot thread

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Originally Posted by iriponsnow

Hey,
I posed this question in it's own thread, but didn't really get a clear response. With the rise of MNC bindings, what is the collective stance on 1300 gm boots inbounds? I ask bc I do a lot of walking about / coaching / lo tide dad stuff that I really think I'd be happier in my Trans Alp boot 90% of the time. If I really wanted / needed to charge, I have alpine boots that I could just adjust the skis to. For background, I am 99% Alpine, 1% resort touring and have a distant tele / TR9 coaching boot skillz. If I could ski a megawatt with both those boots, I have to think that a modern tour boot would not be horrible. Any thoughts are greatly appreciated.

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I skied in nothing but touring boots from 2012 to 2023. From Dynafit ZZero to Scarpa Freedom and Freedom RS, to Scarpa Mobe, to Scarpa 4Quattro (the stiffer one). I had perfectly dialed in semi-plug boots before this and they skied like a dream. But I fell in love with the lightness and walkability of the touring boots. We did a lot of impromptu slackcountry at Magic back when it snowed and not needing to fuck around with changing boots/skis was great (mostly had Tour F12s or Barons on my skis back then - they all have MNC alpine binders now). I thought the 4Quattro was going to hit all the marks...really light, great ROM, stiff, tight as hell (in a good way). Then milestogo gifted me a pair of perfectly fitting Lange RX and when I skied them back-to-back with the 4Quattros and I realized what I was missing all these years.

But I don't have the same use case as you're looking at. I doesn't snow enough to do much slackcountry in SoVT any more and my skiing is 95% inbounds lift-served with a few resort laps for fitness (or to go see the eclipse last year after Magic closed) and maybe a Chic Chocs hut trip every few years. I think you'd be very happy with the 4Quattros. You won't mistake them for your real boots but for what you'll be doing most of the time, you'll be happier in them than a 10 pound racing shoe. Did they have issues with the walk mode mechanism breaking? Yes, but I believe this year's version has a beefed up interface. I only skied mine for about 10 days before selling them to someone on here and there were no signs of plastic fatigue on either boot. What I didn't like about them was the lack of progressive flex (forward). When I leaned into them, it was like crashing into a bridge abutment. True alpine boots have a completely different feel that I prefer now.

Every single thing in skiing is a compromise between two metrics and 1300g boots are no different in that matter.

It's the nature of the beast, you'll be giving up something and the question is if what you gain is worth it. They still won't ski nearly like a dedicated alpine boot.

If you're looking for mostly walking comfort and the occasional dip into sidecountry, I'd look at models that are effectively converted alpine boots and still fully PU or equivalent plastics. You're compromising a little on durability and power initiation but the experience otherwise will be much more similar than this class.

^ precisely

@iriposnow. All the things other said and doing a lot of inbounds on 1300g boots introduces a lot of wear and tear.

read that again kids

say it out loud





no one boot will do it all

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touring boots are not meant for every day resort use

But @Iriponsnow already owns both Transalps and alpine boots right? So, the easy answer would seem to be: try it a few times. If you like it, great. If it sucks, go back to the alpine boots.

Thanks all: I'm working with a few ski manufacturers who are interested building skis more suited towards MNC bindings. For these purposes, I have Tour boot @ 1300 grams, GW boot at 1700 grams and a DIN consumer plug at 2300 grams. My initial thought is that the mount needs to be for the GW/DIN shell that is lil longer and then the Tour boot tends to be further forward as a more centered stance is called from.

Carpet testing new ZGPT vs old model with same broken in old zero g liners.

Fit feels the same as my punched out boot, great lol. New space is just around the pinky toe squaring out the footbox. Instep might feel a little higher on the new boot but it’s marginal. Don’t think it will be an issue for people.

New forward lean is awesome. I have the Raide forward lean mod and the stock lean now feels very close to this, I thought maybe the updated lean was overhyped but they actually did great. Maybe they bought Concierge’s mod lol.

My old pair isnt too beat, but still take it with a grain of salt. The new boot is a bit stiffer and collapses less with forward flex. Again not a huge difference but welcomed improvement.

Walkmode: immediate difference in friction, new boot is much smoother and effortless through the range of motion. This was the biggest difference versus the ridge pro in my opinion. Rearward range is the same, this never bothered me but I don’t use risers so maybe that’s why. Forward motion has welcomed improvement and is smoother all the way to end range, huge boost in performance for me, the new boot has a real fighting chance against the ridge pro in my opinion with this new range if the zero g fits you better. The ridge pro is still quite a bit smoother and has significantly more rearward range and a bit more forward.

25.5: old shell: 1098g, new shell 1020g
Old liner: 198g, new liner 225g

^^^What's your take on the fit of the new ZG vs Quattro? I haven't been interested in a Scarpa boot in 10yrs but that Nico vid and good feedback here has me curious. Current ZG works quite well on my foot with the exception of a bit of extra space in the instep that I shim for.

Heel hold and instep room would be the two fit comparos I'm most interested in. I have memories of my 1st gen Maestrales crushing my instep, but that could've been a result of overtightening the buckles in an attempt to deal with the bucket like heel hold.

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Originally Posted by North

^^^What's your take on the fit of the new ZG vs Quattro? I haven't been interested in a Scarpa boot in 10yrs but that Nico vid and good feedback here has me curious. Current ZG works quite well on my foot with the exception of a bit of extra space in the instep that I shim for.

Heel hold and instep room would be the two fit comparos I'm most interested in. I have memories of my 1st gen Maestrales crushing my instep, but that could've been a result of overtightening the buckles in an attempt to deal with the bucket like heel hold.

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I can ski both but the quattro is much lower volume in every way. Much lower instep, much tighter and lower toebox and overall width is lower. Ankle space is lower and to me the boot seems to have a much shorter internal for the similar BSL (the 290mm/25.5 quattro is way smaller than the zero G and if I was going to go back to the Quattro I would upsize to the 299mm/26.5 shell)

Plastic on the Quattro is super easy to punch tho if you need specific spots of work.

Thank you, very helpful. Sounds like I should prob stick with the ZG. It's already quite good. I'll likely try on a Quattro, but would only go for it if the fit was pretty solid to start. I used to race in plugs, but chasing incremental boot performance through numerous fit adjustments just isn't something I'm into these days.

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Originally Posted by mr_pretzel

My old pair isnt too beat, but still take it with a grain of salt. The new boot is a bit stiffer and collapses less with forward flex. Again not a huge difference but welcomed improvement.

Walkmode: immediate difference in friction, new boot is much smoother and effortless through the range of motion. This was the biggest difference versus the ridge pro in my opinion. Rearward range is the same, this never bothered me but I don’t use risers so maybe that’s why. Forward motion has welcomed improvement and is smoother all the way to end range, huge boost in performance for me, the new boot has a real fighting chance against the ridge pro in my opinion with this new range if the zero g fits you better. The ridge pro is still quite a bit smoother and has significantly more rearward range and a bit more forward.

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How is the flex of the Ridge Pro measure against the new ZGTP in ski mode? I have the older ZGTP and I'm considering the ridge because in a brief carpet test, it walks so well.

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Originally Posted by abcdethan

How is the flex of the Ridge Pro measure against the new ZGTP in ski mode? I have the older ZGTP and I'm considering the ridge because in a brief carpet test, it walks so well.

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My moded ridge pro is quite a bit stiffer than the ZGTP forwards and it is stiffer rearward and I assume laterally like all hoji lock boots. A stock ridge with just the one velcro strap is probably 5% softer than the ZGTP.

https://youtu.be/CmPADyeSwIM?si=wf2aRfKJm92Qxi7S

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Originally Posted by ~mikey b

https://youtu.be/CmPADyeSwIM?si=wf2aRfKJm92Qxi7S

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While I like a lot of Dave Searle videos, the boot series is pretty bad.
part 1 starts of by saying PU and PA are common plastics for boots, and PU is know for being temperature stable..
It is supposed to be about different boot categories, but then it invents a new category, between resort boots and hybrid boots, and calls it “A-T” . Disregarding that AT is exactly the full name for the activity/gear for ski touring.
Part 2 (the one linked above), doesn’t provide any information.

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Originally Posted by mr_pretzel

My moded ridge pro is quite a bit stiffer than the ZGTP forwards and it is stiffer rearward and I assume laterally like all hoji lock boots. A stock ridge with just the one velcro strap is probably 5% softer than the ZGTP.

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Pics of your mods?

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Originally Posted by Tjaardbreeuwer

Pics of your mods?

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Page 6 in the ridge thread, except I use a tour wrap now instead of the GFT

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Originally Posted by mr_pretzel

My moded ridge pro is quite a bit stiffer than the ZGTP forwards and it is stiffer rearward and I assume laterally like all hoji lock boots. A stock ridge with just the one velcro strap is probably 5% softer than the ZGTP.

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Can you speak to the stiffness and walkability of the Radical Pro (modded??) vs others like the Quattro Pro, ZGTP, etc? I just picked up some Rad Pros partially based on your recommendation (and the fact that I'm pretty wide at the met heads with a tailor's bunion), but they're kind of boxier than I'd like (pretty much everywhere except the forefoot).

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Originally Posted by auvgeek

Can you speak to the stiffness and walkability of the Radical Pro (modded??) vs others like the Quattro Pro, ZGTP, etc? I just picked up some Rad Pros partially based on your recommendation (and the fact that I'm pretty wide at the met heads with a tailor's bunion), but they're kind of boxier than I'd like (pretty much everywhere except the forefoot).

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Sorry for the slow reply on this one!

Only mod I did to the rad pro was add a zipfit, I was however skiing them with an insanely small shell fit which made them ski a lot better for me, however I couldn’t make it work long term unfortunately.

I think they all ski really well so it’s mostly up to what fits you the best.
IMO stiffest to softest Quattro XT > ZGTP > Rad Pro, but the rad pro is the best in the rearward direction.

The quattro walks the best and might have a smidge more frictionless rom but they are pretty close to the rad pro. The ZGTP has the "worst" ROM and friction out of the bunch, but the new version is a definite improvement especially on the friction side of things.

In 25.5s the quattro XT shells are 1150g(the new versions might be , Rad pro 1200g and ZGTPs 1090g.

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Originally Posted by mr_pretzel

IMO stiffest to softest Quattro XT > ZGTP > Rad Pro, but the rad pro is the best in the rearward direction.

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Some comparison between Rad Pro (with GFT and Intuition) and ZGTP (with Intuition only). They seem to walk very similarly, though I tour with cuff buckles completely open. Rad Pro have worse rearward rom, which can be noticed on some rolling approaches.

ZGTP is a bit stiffer (or less progressive) when flexing to the front, but the Rad Pro is much more stiff laterally, which makes a surprisingly big difference while edging on firm snow. On shit snow I could feel the ZGTP sole bending/twisting. The Rad Pro feels as stiff laterally as my Cochise 130's.

had a customer come in today to buy Dynafit Radical Pro - he’d done his research online and was convinced that was the boot for him - he liked the idea of the HojiLock

he’s a newer backcountry skier that has an Ikon and Epic passes but wants to branch out

I immediately wanted him to try a Tecnica Zero G Pro but he was after the Radical so we went that way - I don’t try to steer people into boots I like just because I like them and they fit me

he had a Nordica freeride boot that was not great for touring for him and he was trying to get into more of a touring boot

we talked a bit while I got him into the Radical and I wasn’t sure if that was the boot for him

he didn’t like how it felt across his instep so I had him try a Tigard - same company with a different fitting boot - he preferred the 4 buckle Tigard because it didn’t bother his instep

so I put him in a Tecnica Cochise because he liked the 4 buckle freeride boot idea - I fkn love this boot for what it is but what it is is a bit heavy - to me it’s an alpine boot with features - they fit great

so I put him in a ZeroG Pro and he fkn loved how they fit - we tried the 24-25 model and the 23-24

he bought the 24-25 because he said he felt the difference in the ROM

because I’m that way I had him try the Dynafit Ridge Pro - same weight as the ZG but a different style and fit - he didn’t like it at all - the liners have a wierd step up toward the top that he didn’t like

the ZG fits a lot of people really well -

that was quite a journey from Dynafit Radical to Tecnica ZeroG

I appreciate a customer that will take the time to figure out the right boot - I’m sure they appreciate us helping them work towards the right boot

this is why you go to a proper fkn mountain shop - we won’t just sell you what you want but we will help you find what works

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/202...06f67e81d0.jpg

and this was a guy who came in saying he needed a wide boot because he had trouble fitting into anything

his “internet research” convinced him that the Radical was the only thing he’d fit in

most people that say they have a weird wide funky foot really don’t

I even tried him in a Scott Cosmos we had sitting around and he hated them

Not sure where my other post went, but trying again.

I have Fischer Transalps that I have been incredibly happy with, but just discovered the dreaded crack that everyone seems to get. They are around 2 years old, so no idea how long they have had the crack for. I'm hoping Fischer will warranty them, but if not I may be in the market for new boots.

Are there other boots out there with a similar fit that I should be considering? I have the Tour version, and would appreciate a bit more stiffness and maybe better rearward ROM if I'm buying a replacement. Otherwise the Transalps have had an overall great fit despite not having the best heel pocket (just replaced liners with Intuition Tour Wraps to help here).

I prefer a more upright boot and run the Fischers at the 13 degree lean.

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Originally Posted by ey_allen

Not sure where my other post went, but trying again.

I have Fischer Transalps that I have been incredibly happy with, but just discovered the dreaded crack that everyone seems to get. They are around 2 years old, so no idea how long they have had the crack for. I'm hoping Fischer will warranty them, but if not I may be in the market for new boots.

Are there other boots out there with a similar fit that I should be considering? I have the Tour version, and would appreciate a bit more stiffness and maybe better rearward ROM if I'm buying a replacement. Otherwise the Transalps have had an overall great fit despite not having the best heel pocket (just replaced liners with Intuition Tour Wraps to help here).

I prefer a more upright boot and run the Fischers at the 13 degree lean.

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Not sure what size you run, but I've got some size 30s up in Bellingham that I haven't been able to get to work for me. Pretty great shape and no sign of that issue.

Sounds like you got the 1st gen version of the Fischer Transalp Pros. Skimoco commented that Fischer added more plastic in this area of concern on the boot and they haven’t received and future warranty issues since. I felt that the heel pocket was too big and deep for me which cause endless blisters. I recently got the Dynafit Ridge pro and it is more snug with my overall foot shape and is nearly as frictionless. It’s stiffer which has its pros and cons depending on the type of skiing. However I only have one day out on the boot so far


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Originally Posted by kamtron

Not sure what size you run, but I've got some size 30s up in Bellingham that I haven't been able to get to work for me. Pretty great shape and no sign of that issue.

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Much appreciated but I'm in an aggressive 26.5.

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Originally Posted by abcdethan

Sounds like you got the 1st gen version of the Fischer Transalp Pros. Skimoco commented that Fischer added more plastic in this area of concern on the bolt and they haven’t received and future warranty issues since. I felt that the heel pocket was too big and deep for me which cause endless blisters. I recently got the Dynafit Ridge pro and it is more snug with my overall foot shape and is nearly as frictionless. It’s stiffer which has its pros and cons depending on the type of skiing. However I only have one day out on the boot so far


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Yeah first gen. Good to hear they have fixed this in future versions.

And yeah the heel pocket is the one thing I wish I could change, but I just added some Intuition Tour Wraps that really seem to have helped. No blisters or issues in 75+ days on them so far, so maybe I will just replace with an updated version.

If these aren't warrantied I may try on the ridge pro but I was just feeling like I got everything dialed so switching boots is less exciting than it may have been otherwise.

When the boots are dialed, don't change it!

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Originally Posted by kamtron

When the boots are dialed, don't change it!

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That was my thought as well, but given how slow dealing with Fischer has been on the warranty I went ahead and ordered a pair of Ridge Pros to try on in the meantime. I am lucky in that I generally have limited boot issues, so if I can get some better ROM, better heel hold, a stiffer boot and lose some grams than its worth at least trying them on.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m36hwWvTIUg&t=155s La Sportiva XTR. Release 2026? Who knows what the specs will be in the end.

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Originally Posted by abcdethan

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m36hwWvTIUg&t=155s La Sportiva XTR. Release 2026? Who knows what the specs will be in the end.

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I think you can spy a ~1100g on the display behind the guy... but isn't that what the Kilo ended up weighing?

https://www.mountainblog.eu/product/...inter-2025-26/

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Originally Posted by ASmileyFace

I think you can spy a ~1100g on the display behind the guy... but isn't that what the Kilo ended up weighing?

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1190 grams, which is the same as the Skorpius. It looks like it has the same tongue as the Skorpius, and the same buckles on the cuff, and then a lower micro adjust Z buckle instead of BOA.
Seems like a straight up Skorpius replacement. Strange, given how new that one is, but I guess they have put the money into the new mold already, so they figure why not.

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Originally Posted by ~mikey b

and this was a guy who came in saying he needed a wide boot because he had trouble fitting into anything

his “internet research” convinced him that the Radical was the only thing he’d fit in

most people that say they have a weird wide funky foot really don’t

I even tried him in a Scott Cosmos we had sitting around and he hated them

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pre-concieved notions eh

I suggested to my son the snow boarder since he knew how to ski it might be better to ski tour than a split board for a hut trip we were planning and I knew he could ski but he had zero clue what boot or how to get it but he lives in Calgary where there is lots of gear.

Having wanked around way too much on Tech Talk I check on-line to see which store carries what brand tell him go to these stores and try on these maestrale-ish/ ZG models of touring boot, ZG fits best so done all by text

it seemed easy on my side of the keyboard but i realize it had to be daunting

Just went on a boot fiting spree today. My Atomic Backland XTDs finally made me angry for the last time so I'm on a quest to find new boots

Currently driving Helio 104s in a 184.

Of all the boots I tried on the Scarpa F1s were probably closest fit wise, but they felt so soft skiing wise. I liked the ROM, and the weight though.

Anyone have a req for what I should try, or ways to make the F1 stiffer? Or maybe I just need to deal with some softness if I want a 1300 gram boot? I'm sort of new to this area so I could have unrealistic expectations honestly.

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Originally Posted by Yukonrider

Just went on a boot fiting spree today. My Atomic Backland XTDs finally made me angry for the last time so I'm on a quest to find new boots

Currently driving Helio 104s in a 184.

Of all the boots I tried on the Scarpa F1s were probably closest fit wise, but they felt so soft skiing wise. I liked the ROM, and the weight though.

Anyone have a req for what I should try, or ways to make the F1 stiffer? Or maybe I just need to deal with some softness if I want a 1300 gram boot? I'm sort of new to this area so I could have unrealistic expectations honestly.

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Have you tried the Ridge on?

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Originally Posted by Yukonrider

Just went on a boot fiting spree today. My Atomic Backland XTDs finally made me angry for the last time so I'm on a quest to find new boots

Currently driving Helio 104s in a 184.

Of all the boots I tried on the Scarpa F1s were probably closest fit wise, but they felt so soft skiing wise. I liked the ROM, and the weight though.

Anyone have a req for what I should try, or ways to make the F1 stiffer? Or maybe I just need to deal with some softness if I want a 1300 gram boot? I'm sort of new to this area so I could have unrealistic expectations honestly.

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Did you try the F1 XT or similar, newer models? Different than the original F1

F1 XT & LT are really a class below the regular F1. The XT skis damn well, but it is a 1k boot without a doubt.

I second the Ridge pro recommendation, but the new Zero G Tour Pro should be on your list too.

I'm still looking for the right boot in this category, have read this thread, the Skorpius thread, pretty much all the related threads I think. Just want to make sure I'm not missing anything. Basically, a Skorpius with a taller instep would be great. Ridge Pro is too low. Want better touring than ZGTP. F1 has too much fwd lean. Backland XTD Carbon 120 maybe? The pivot issues and leaky gaiter makes me hesitant on these. Sounds like the latest ZGTP tours better than before, maybe I should be more open to this boot.

Even taller instep than in the Skorpius 2?