Stumbled upon some brand new 184cm Proto top sheet 99Ti’s at a ski outlet store in Oshkosh Wisconsin of all places. Only marked down to $420 though…
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Stumbled upon some brand new 184cm Proto top sheet 99Ti’s at a ski outlet store in Oshkosh Wisconsin of all places. Only marked down to $420 though…
Dispatch 120 comes in 178, 186 and 192 cm - weight 1905g at 186Quote:
Originally Posted by thecazdog
Dispatch 110 comes in 170, 177, 184, 191 cm - weight 1749g at 184
Dispatch 101 in 161, 168, 175, 182 and 189 cm - weight 1695g at 182
Not bad for a ski with metal inserts
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Can anyone speak to the durability of the mindbender (particularly the 108?)
I ski out of Utah, and on powder days it's not uncommon to find buried rocks. After maybe 25 days on a Black Crows Corvus this season, I had a totaled ski with a foot of edge, sidewall, and core missing.
I get that skis can only take so much abuse, but definitely looking for something a bit... hardier.
I ski both the MB 90ti and 108ti… no reason why they would be any more or less hardier than a Black Crows ski.Quote:
Originally Posted by griffinmyers
Mb 108 is getting a slight update for next year I hear . Metal shifted forward a cm or 2 and tail is slightly redesigned.
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Just picked up a (used) mint pair of 175cm MB 106C’s with Jester bindings for my wife. Mounted at her exact same bsl and at a super super low price .
Thinking a MB108Ti could be my ripper ski next season….currently nothing in the quiver in this slot since I sold the un-skied K108s.
The MB is probably more in line with what I like vs the K108. Easier to ski, and a more reasonable mount point. I’d probably go +1cm (-8.75cm) due to my short bsl on the 179cm MB vs. +1cm (-10.3cm) on 177cm K108.
This year’s MB108 only $489CDN at Corbett’s.
Welcome to the Mindbender fanboi club :)Quote:
Originally Posted by N1CK.
I had to mount my Pivots at +1 due to hole conflicts. They feel pretty good there - they turn a bit more quickly and I think a bit more tail helps with landing jumps. Otherwise pretty similar to before.
That's a crazy steal with the currently strong USD...!Quote:
Originally Posted by kc_7777
Intel from the K2 folks - dont mount much outside of +1.5-ish as you'll be outside of the cambered area which will throw off how the ski performsQuote:
Originally Posted by thecazdog
Has anybody got on the new 108? Shape and mount look point look pretty ideal, flexes nice, albeit slightly soft in the tip.
Bump, any experience with the 23 116c? Looking for a fun pow ski that will still charge through the chop once it's skied up. Found a good deal on these and have heard good things about the mindbender lineup.
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Originally Posted by durangobrad
I don't believe the bender 116C is what you're looking for. Heard it gets knocked around quite a bit since its fairly light so you'd need to dial it back quite a bit.
Maybe a Rustler 11 or something a little heavier would fill the niche of a more traditionally mounted pow ski. Blade Optic 114? - It's got a mount point around -7cm?
Yeah, interestingly the MB 116 is quite a bit lighter than the MB 108ti (which I have and like a lot). Been looking for something to replace my black version Pinnacle 118, which is 2300+ grams and great for float and busting chop, but the MB 116 just doesn't seem to fit the bill, at least on paper.Quote:
Originally Posted by rfconroy
Not sure about the Rustler 11, that barely weighs more than the MB 116.
Maybe QST 118?
This is the ski I couldn’t find. Working with Marshal, but nothing finalized.Quote:
Originally Posted by yeahman
R11 isn’t it for me.
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Originally Posted by yeahman
It struck me that the custom Praxis Fat BC Keith built for me a couple of years ago might be close to what you're talking about...Quote:
Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong
Not going to comment on any specifics, but a fat BC seems different enough from what we’re looking at.Quote:
Originally Posted by waxoff
Any idea of the weight of your skis?
Dont think they make the QST 118 anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by yeahman
I mean.. If you take the plunge into a more progressive mounted ski, there are many many options out there, but theyre all going to have mount points around -2 to -6cm from TC
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Originally Posted by yeahman
The pair (191cm) was 4630 grams MAA enduro core. More in the Praxis thread from 09-13-2018Quote:
Originally Posted by J. Barron DeJong
Thanks. Look nice and could fit the bill for some. Sticking with my ‘different enough’ assessment (which is great, more choices).Quote:
Originally Posted by waxoff
I also found a deal on them a winter or two ago and pulled the trigger. I did not enjoy them around the resort. Fun in the foods or first two runs, but very unpleasant thru any chop. I offloaded mine.Quote:
Originally Posted by rfconroy
Maybe the layup has changed, but carbon and lightweight is only good for so long in the resort imo. Touring application would be a different story.
Thanks for the feedback any opinions on blade optic 114 vs head kore 117.
Want to be able to ski all day on a good pow day, all the way to tracked out moguls.
The line has me a little intimidated that it might be too much ski for me.
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I have the 108ti and love that it's a damp, directional, and intuitive ski. I was similarly looking for a wider ski for deeper days earlier this season and ended up with a Nordica Enforcer 115. IMO the two pair quite well. The Enforcer feels especially at home in chop – no real speed limit and can just eat leftovers all day long... for me a pretty ideal inbounds "powder" tool.Quote:
Originally Posted by yeahman
Anybody find the 99’s tips a bit hooky at moderate speed? Ive already aggressively detuned them past the rocker. Currently mounted on the line and thinking about going +1 or +2.
I love how they ski near top end. Its like a car that tightens up the steering at highway speeds.
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Maybe kastle zx 115?Quote:
Originally Posted by yeahman
Have you spent a lot of time recently on more progressive skis? I loved my MB108s last season and then this season have spent a ton of time on Wildcats. Going back to the MBs and the directional mount I've felt like the tips are way hookier. I've been thinking along the same lines of doing a +1 or 2 mount to get a more even amount of ski ahead and behind.
Trying to change a directional ski into a "progressive" ski or vice versa by moving the mount point is a waste of time IMO. Figure out what style of skiing you prefer and buy a ski designed for that style.
Haha I used to post like this all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by dmcd
Agree wholeheartedly with post just above.
Buy skis that fit your style and mount on rec.
eg. I’m on rec on Hojis, Ravens, Optics, Season Pass, Season Aero, K2 Reckoners, Armada Whitewalkers…. cause they all have progressive mounts.
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Obviously, but if you've found yourself getting along with progressive mounts more but already have a pair of skis why not move your bindings?
I like my 116c at +1, but it still feels pretty traditional compared to my more progressive skis--jj, og renegade, devastator, or even the og bodacious. The bode is kind of unique in that it has a pretty traditional mount, but in 3d snow it feels more progressive to me.
I think you'd have to move substantially forward to get a progressive feel and then you'd be well ahead of the center of sidecut.
MB has a lot of qualities I equate with a more traditional shape/mount... flotation and turn initiation feel more tip biased than underfoot biased. Bigger sweet spot, more predictable, not as quick, doesn't respond as much to tiny inputs and shifts in weight. Basically more predictable, sometimes easier to ski, but also sometimes not as fun, imo. It is, however, basically unsinkable for my 160lb self because of those fat rockered tips, and sometimes that makes it the best ski for the day, for me.
Easier to resell a ski with one mount as opposed to swiss cheese.
But if you don't care about resale value, go for it and report back. Be curious to hear what you think.
Appreciate the thoughts, but it seems like a weird attitude to take in Tech Talk on TGR. Do you think the people mounting their Heritage skis before or behind recommended in those threads are making mistakes as well? What about the Blister reviewers?
Then stop fucking asking and do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by dmcd
The Mindbender 108 has a soft shovel and a stiff but somewhat smeary tail. If you find the sweet spot and can bend the ski the right way, it’s a lot of fun. If you push it too hard, the tip lets you know and you have to throttle back a bit. Ski it on smooth groomers or fresh pow and it’s great. It starts to loose something in the variable.
I sold mine after deciding that compromise wasn’t worth making. So, screw with the mount point, but it’s still a ski that has to be skied a certain way to work.
I think the point above is you are at a point where you have a choice….and that choice could impact you economically.Quote:
Originally Posted by yeahman
Eg Sell em now with 1 mount. And you may get a decent price, and buy something with a more progressive mount. Eg sell yours for $250US, and buy a Blade Optic from Corbetts for $350US. You’re out approx $100. Pretty low cost swap.
Or Put more holes in the MB’s, and ski em forward of rec, then possible sell them for way lower if you don’t like them. Risk is you’re out more.
There is also the “do it for science” angle. That I’ve done that many times. Eg M102s at +2.5cm. You’re always wondering if you’ve fucked up the ski and are too far forward in front of the side cut.
Then there was once the time I talked to a K2 pro athlete who was at +7cm on his MB108Tis.
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This sums up my feelings on the mindbender 108ti. I have mine mounted at +2, as -10 is just way to far back. If snow is predictable, they’re pretty good. But I’m not a huge fan in variable, which is kind of where I want a 108 ski to excel. They seems to want to make ski school turns. I much prefer the green top sheet Qst 106. I also had to detune the crap out of the mindbender to make them skiable. They are super stiff right behind the binding, I think that more tail rocker would make them much more compliant and versatile.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bandit Man
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I think they ski really well in variable for a ski that also has excellent soft snow performance. Ideal DD for Big Sky IMO, I never need to think twice about what the conditions are, just ski it. However I would not use it as a PNW DD where the snow is heavier.
That said I've been curious to try the QST 106, but wondering which year is best for what I want. Hand flexed some Blanks yesterday and was surprised at how floppy they felt.
108 vs 99 go. Have mostly 114 and above skis. 99 seems more practical for groomers and we have a long spring in Utah. I’m not practical and this year had a lot of pow. want to hear thoughts form owners and any downsides or nonsense. Thx
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99 and 108 are a lot different. Tail on 99 is flatter and less releasable. 99s are slightly damper. 99s like to stay In the fall line whereas 108s like to cut across it more. 108s good in bumps 99s kind of suck in bumps too much workQuote:
Originally Posted by whyturn
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I've got a 191
pair 9
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