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Do you really get the same MPG ? I can't say i regret buying the Tacoma but my needs are simple, I'm not a large person I don't tow, the most I carry is an e-bike or a pair of skis so I would be fine keeping it but yeah I just drove the tundra with TRD suspension I really liked it and its time for an upgradeQuote:
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Dream:
Tacoma sized quad cab with 6.5 bed and a reliable 320hp 450 ft-lb engine able to tow 10k, 20 city 25 hwy unloaded.
Not too much to ask, eh?
Slightly better with the Taco but only like 2-3 mpg. And for how muck more you can do with the tundra, it is totally worth it unless you need something smaller or hate driving parking big trucks. Or live in the city or something like that.Quote:
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Tacoma Trailhunter iForce Max Turbo Hybrid:
quad cab, 6'2" bed, 323hp 465 ft-lb twin turbo i4 hybrid engine tows 6K, 22 city 24 hwy
$64K too rich for my blood
what really bugs me on the tacoma is the 6spd auto constantly dropping 2 gears to wind out 4th at 100kph on the highway
I guess you can reprogram the transmission to avoid some of those gear shifting shenanigans?
Newest tacos have 8spd
Tacoma also needs washing, I think I'm just gona get the Tundra instead
the 6spd is not seamless when it hunts up and down hopefully the 8 spd will be better at that ?
Tundra has a lot of power with a 10 spd and i couldn't tell when it was shifting
Noticeable gear hunting is always annoying.
Chiming in to add that putting a higher flow muffler (stock muffler rusted out) on my land cruiser (4.7L) improved mpg by 2-3. It was about $250 a few years ago. Apparently, this was a known thing by some mechanics. My muffler guy is a huge toyo fan boy. Not sure if same results will be experienced by the engines under this current discussion.
i wasnt about to mess with the warranty by reprogramming the transmission on a brand new Tacoma so I checked how the Tundra was on the highway this time. IME you really notice hunting on a 6 spd but when you have 10 gears the increments are so small you barely notice the shifts up or down in fact as i understand it the 10psd in an F-150 sometimes skips gears depending on throttle load. I did a pretty good long vetting on the Tundra test drive to the point the truck salesman called me to ask where I was and are things ok
A muffler replacement that generates that much MPG means the old muffler was clogged.Quote:
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Apparently, it’s known for those 4.7L Toyota engines. I talked about it afterwards with my old neighbor mechanic because I was like, “damn, I should do this for my other cars,” and his response was that I would not see that response from other Toyota engines. The mechanic that installed the muffler told me that most people won’t see that increase for that engine because their driving behaviors change as a result of new muffler because of the noticeable increase in power and sound. This is all hearsay, I guess.
I have a really loud muffler on my Tundra "BroMobile" and it definitely keeps me from flooring it unless I need to. It sits at 11.9 mpg because it has a camper on it, a lift and E-rated AT3s . The muffler was a dual and even louder than it is now, but I had it re-welded to one pipe and out the passenger side so it isn't quite as loud. My friend's '09 Tundra is totally stock and gets 12.9 mpg so either there is something wrong with hers, or mine isn't doing that bad.
My '01 Seqoia w/ 4.7L is getting (reporting anyway) 18mpg which I guess is pretty incredible.
Try not to look at gas mileage much anyway because I got such a good deal on both vehicles that it would take a while for the gas saving to pencil out as a real loss for me and to b honest, these might be the last gasser v8's I ever own and I really like em.
On the Tacoma forums I frequent, the OTT tune is very favored to improve throttle response and eliminate gear hunting in the 3rd Gens. They are around $500 and they will customize it to your preferences. If I was buying a 3G, I would definitely look into one.
https://overlandtailor.com/
Toyota is replacing 102,000 Tundra/ Lexus engines, that is the twin Turbo 3.4 L
https://www.motor1.com/news/727930/t...-tundra-lexus/
I asked my sales guy about this problem, he said they have sold 200 Tundras and have not lost any engines
altho i would bet some of those 200 Tundras will be recalled cuz its 2 yrs worth of production
edit: Also 661,000 trucks and SUV's for driveline issues, read the wholelink cuz thereare 2 recall notices in there
https://www.motor1.com/news/710474/t...0-trucks-suvs/
Anyone here have the new LC 250? Giving them a couple years or so then may look into a used one.
New 4Runner just came out as well.
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The new 4runner prices are absolutely bonkers
Does the new generation address the annoying gearing of the [emoji641]th?
Starting at forty for the basic two wheel drive srfive up to over seventy for Trailhunter. There are nine trim levels.Quote:
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https://www.motortrend.com/news/2025...p-trim-levels/
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So a 4x4 4runner starts at $50K, is that the complaint?
About the same as an F150 XLT 4dr. or a Honda Pilot. Seems in line with similar vehicles.
How about and alternative for a ten year old [emoji640]Runner?
A nine year old Runner?Quote:
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Mine just turned fourteen. Really nice not having a payment though.
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IMO, the reason you get a NEW car is because it has features not available on the previous year, or because you have the money to buy a luxury car and want those leather seats smooth and uncreased. But, we are talking about a 4runner... something that is not meant for luxury, its it meant for pure utility, and from what i can tell the newest generation doesnt do much that the 5th gen didnt. Its still a utilitarian interior, and its still meant to get you where you want to go, holding everything you want it to, everytime. Nothing more, nothing less. Thats perfect for an engineer like me who is REALLY big on function (form is just a tiebreaker).
But, if that is the case, there is absolutely no reason to pay a premium to buy a new 4runner when i can just buy a 5 yr old 4runner with 40k on it for $30k. It does the exact same thing as the new one (same MPG, same offroad capability, same reliability, same road driving manners) and when everyone is keeping the car for 10 years and 150k miles or more... you are going to be driving an old 4runner at the end anyways so who really cares. I would gladly save the $30k difference in pricetags and use that $30k for damn near anything else.
People have been begging for a diesel 4runner and an Hybrid 4runner for years. Well they made the hybrid finally, and it only gets 23mpg. WTF? why would you even bother.
Not to mention it’s a turbo 4banger, what could possibly go wrong. Am I incorrect in thinking that a turbo will never hold up to the reliability of a NA engine?Quote:
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If you have a line on 2020 4Runners with 40k miles for $30k you should quit your day job, import them all to Denver and retire.
I think it is the opposite logic. 'Yota hold their value so well you may as well by new. I do the 4Runners are good offroad in their class but other than that very 'meh. I think the reliability is about the same as everything else. And when I say good, I mean the harder end of FS roads. Most FS roads in Co are fine in most any SUV or pickup.
I don’t disagree with your premise in the post, but fwiw, the hwy rating went from lucky-to-get Nineteen to a hopeful twenty six. For a heavy, blocky off road grocery getter that’s a pretty solid improvementQuote:
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IDK, lots of similar deals to this: 2019, ~50k miles, for $32k.
https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-...ckType=listing
I fully agree that less than 1% of 4runners see any road that i couldnt drive a beater camry on.
If i am going to own a car for 15 years, why wouldnt i let someone else take the depreciation hit if i am going to be driving an "old car" for 10+years of the cars life anyways? Nothing about a new 4runner is better than a 4 year old used 4runner, IMO.
And i am obviously biased here. I bought a 2004 SR5 in 2011 with 60k on it for $16,000. Still driving it with 230k on it, and no real plans to upgrade anytime soon. Desperately in need of a new car to replace my wifes 2013 Ford Escape though. What a POS.
Got it, so older, higher miles and more expensive for a Pittsburg, PA vehicle. My maths would come out different. I'd buy the new one for $50k and sell it when it's worth +/- $30k instead. But I'd rather buy a 2yr old domestic and sell it when it's got about 100k.
But there is no right answer, just choices.
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When I decided to upgrade from Gen1 in 2019 all the Gen2 with 50-100k miles I was looking at were priced just $3-4k cheaper than a brand new Gen3. Used Gen3 were pretty much on par. Even if you can negotiate seller down a bit it seemed worth it to just pay a bit extra for new.
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I have a 2018 TRD off road premium with KDSS that I bought new for $37k. MSRP was maybe something like $44k.Quote:
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The same trim level for a 2025 is $70k MSRP.
Toyota got rid of all of the reasons that I bought my 4Runner. The new generation engines and transmissions have terrible reliability issues.
I can’t imagine ever selling mine.
when I bought a new somewhat stripped 2010 ranger for 19250can$ I thot it was an awesume bargain except for the humanity of having to roll up my own windows but it might have been the cheapest 4x4 available at the time
then i got a new 2019 4x4 SR5 4 door Tacoma for < 42K and it was ok but I wasn't that excited, i was just not as impressed with a new Tacoma as i was with a new Ranger, Tacoma was good but it wasn't > 20K gooder.
I didnt like the trans dropping 2 gears/ engine screaming at 100kph, I wasn't impressed with how it carved turns and 1 other thing I forget but zero mechanical problems and so I have no Tacoma regrets
So I did a more extensive test drive on the Tundra to the point sales bro called and asked if I was ok, so based on that drive I order the a doublecab/ TRD in white and it took almost 3 months for them Texans to make it down thar in San Antone BUT I would say the wait was worth it
New Tundra was < 61K but I really like maybe almost love the Tundra, its got assloads of power it just lopes along at < 2000 rpm
I got a biking buddy who is a former ranger owner, I think he had a tacoms bough last years Tundra and agrees on the whole thing
Spec sheet
https://www.4runner6g.com/forum/atta...stem-browser=1
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Sold my Tacoma and bought an older Sequoia and a Tundra for $13k less than the newer Taco. Taco was nice, but just too small all around and not enough power. I'd probably feel the same about a 4runner. Only reason I bought the 2001 Sequoia was it was just too good of a deal to pass up. But I love the damn thing. Such a nice ride. Still gets 17.6mpg which isn't terrible. Nice having 2 V8's in the family to haul stuff around. Tundra is just for the camper. Wife drives a Hybrid Rav to offset our carbon footprint :rolleyes2
Sequoias are so nice to drive. Shitty mpg but nothing is perfect
Any recs for [emoji640]Runner windshield replacement in the Denver area?
https://youtu.be/VPqymgFbCXo
New passport looks pretty nice. Seats fold flat it seems. Wife has a passport now and it’s a great vehicle. Looks like a good [emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]]]]Runner alternative if not into rock crawling
https://youtu.be/UHHPat[emoji[emoji6[emoji640][emoji638]][emoji640][emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]]]IhTc
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I scored a Bison tri-fold bed cover for my Tundra from a buddy for a good deal, my Bullit with 29" front wheel 800mm bars JUST fits under the cover you defintly wana try this before buying cuz there is zero clearnace