Seconded on the Vredestein Quatrac Pro. Have them on my Outback and they feel very confident in snow. Amazing price too! Would definitely get another set when these wear out.Quote:
Originally Posted by sk8rat6587
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Seconded on the Vredestein Quatrac Pro. Have them on my Outback and they feel very confident in snow. Amazing price too! Would definitely get another set when these wear out.Quote:
Originally Posted by sk8rat6587
Check out the Vredestein. They are slightly less sporty feeling than the DWS, but much better in both snow and rain.Quote:
Originally Posted by japanada
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I will have to do some reading on them. My S6 is making 500hp and I want to make sure I'm not sacrificing too much, dry traction or sidewall stiffness.Quote:
Originally Posted by jdadour
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I had that tire on an AWD infinity and they worked quite well on plowed roads. I was very surprisedQuote:
Originally Posted by japanada
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I have the dws06s currently, and yes great and the clear roads, how were they for you in snow/wet slush?Quote:
Originally Posted by whyturn
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I think the Vredestein would handle the power and torque of the s6, but it's definitely more of a comfort/touring/luxury feel than the stiffer performance feel of the DWS. Both are great tires. If you want more pure dry performance and competent enough wet/slush/snow the DWS is going to be better. If you want better wet/snow traction and a bit more of a comfort feel in dry conditions, the Quatrac is a better option.Quote:
Originally Posted by japanada
I've had both and would consider both for sure depending on the car and conditions and characteristics I wanted.
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Surprisingly good. It was pow day in SoCal and handled slush, plowed and parking lot well. That road was a serious grade and trucks were sliding 300 hp infinity M35Quote:
Originally Posted by japanada
Technically was prior gen DWS. I have DWS 06 on forester for three seasons and Hakka for winter
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If you can find them, I (and others here) would highly reccomend Cooper ATW's for all weather tires. Slightly quicker wearing, but that softer rubber pays off on glazed over hardpack snow. It seems that Cooper is pushing AT3s now, but the ATW has been great.
Vredestein All weather tires did very good in last year's Consumer Report's testing. They are coming out with a line of A/T truck tires (Pinza) in the next year, that show a lot of promise too.Quote:
Originally Posted by sk8rat6587
I drank the coolaid and gave Vredestein a shot. One car and one suv. They sucked on snow compared to snow tires and underwhelmed on dry. Tread life was not great. Will never buy again.
What's your driving look like in the PNW? I'm on the fence between a few options:Quote:
Originally Posted by river59
All Weathers / Light AT:
- Michelin Cross Climate 2
- Nokian WRG4
- Yokohama G015
Winters:
- Blizzak WS90
- Continental VikingContact 7
I would love to get away with one set of wheels that performs best in wet but also well enough to go up to the ski resorts / backcountry skiing midwinter. But this is my first winter in Seattle so I'm not totally sure what trade off I want while living in the city and weekend warrior-ing.
Sick. I have studded Nokian Haakapeliitta 9s on my A4, only pushing 315 hp but the grip is amazing in winter. You can actually use some of that HP.Quote:
Originally Posted by japanada
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anyone in CO running snowflake rated A/T tires and going over the passes a lot? I ran Blizzaks two seasons ago and burned them up in one winter. Was commuting from Dumont to Golden 4 days a week, plus I skied about 85 days, mostly at Copper and WP and backcountry in various places. Brand new in November, bald in April.
I do a lot of offroading/"overlanding" in the dry months, and I only want to buy one set of tires, so I'm hoping I can get away with some of the mountain snowflake rated A/T's.
People used to run around with rear wheel drive vehicles with no positraction aka limited slip differential, and ran belted ply highway tires.
Do whatever the fuck you want.
Falken Wildpeak is a good compromise for a highway and mountain tire that handily deals with heavy snow and slush, mud, sand, long wearing, probably not even close to Blizzaks on ice (though I have not ran Blizzaks).Quote:
Originally Posted by blackalps
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Hey, I saw those people one night on I70. Climbing the hill to the tunnel from the west side, hammering snow, and I look over to the slow lane/shoulder, and there's three kids in street clothes PUSHING I think a late 80s American rear drive something or other, couldn't tell. I'm thinking, what the fuck, where are they pushing it too? It's still a quarter mile to the tunnel!Quote:
Originally Posted by Rideski
It’s okay, they have screws embedded in their sneakers.
They probably weren't locals.
And these are the ones trying to get up the hill on a pow day blocking the road for the rest of us. It’s clear they are done but they try anyways. Then nobody skis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rideski
I put my snows on the car today and hope you do too!
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Standard in JP to run two sets per vehicle. I used to run BFGoodrich All Terrain in the US and never gave studless snow tires a drop of curiosity.
Boy was I wrong. Blizzaks are amazing.
Michelins are a bit looser and my least favorite. Still leagues ahead of the BFG AT.
1- Bridgestone Blizzak
2- Dunlop
3- Yokohama
4- Michelin
Still can’t convince my dad to rotate seasonally, though. It’s not more expensive over the years. But it feels expensive at first.
sounds like you ski lcc and bcc. on a storm day one rear-wheel drive rental with an inexperienced driver is all it takes.Quote:
Originally Posted by whyturn
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Originally Posted by Rideski
yeah? a lot more people died in car wrecks back then, too. Fatalities per 100k registered vehicles has been cut in half just since 94, and fatalities per 1million miles driven has dropped significantly, too. That's a stupid fucking argument.
I had Blizzak VM-2's on my 4runner. damn things were unstoppable. Lost count of how many people I pulled out of the snow that season. You can't leave them on, though. If you drive on them when it's dry, they just burn up.Quote:
Originally Posted by gaijin
The problem with two sets is that if you give them a beating in the mountains during winter months on rocks, creek crossings, stumps etc. there are concerns with true snows getting sidewall damage without side lugs and E rated tires with a true squared off edge pattern. As discussed on another thread though, doesn't appear to be any magic bullets for a one tire quiver. Chains are still the standard it seems for that application of having one tire year round that can take a lot of sidewall abuse.Quote:
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Originally Posted by blackalps
Man up and learn to put chains on your Chevy chevette or shut the fuck up.
Well not exactly but it is a two lane ski resort road with significant grade. Same result as LCC or BCC. It’s more the people who rent and stay at the condos down the hill. That road is fine so they think they are fine. Then they leave in the morning and quickly realize that 16% grade is very different than the village road to the condo.Quote:
Originally Posted by ntblanks
Then it’s too late and they can’t turn around
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ah. now sounds like powmow. that's some serious grade. and zero shoulder.Quote:
Originally Posted by whyturn
brake burnerQuote:
Originally Posted by ntblanks
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fuck you. eat a bag of dicks. your luddite, wannabe macho, tiny penis compensating bullshit masquerading as an opinion is irrelevant and pathetic. you're an insult to your avatar image.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rideski
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Originally Posted by blackalps
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Ahhh. How I miss the TGR of old. No one treading carefully and insults for all seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by blackalps
What a bunch of asshats arguing about tires.
Make a stupid asshole statement and be a dick about it, get an asshole reply. Cry some more about what tires I put on my truck. FFS. It’s tech talk, people talk about gear. read a different thread if you don’t like it.
Right maybe if you read the thread you’d know the OP was taklking about a new designation of tires, which your post had nothing to do with, just like it didn’t have anything to do with the i70 shit show thread you also posted your tire question in, when there’s already 15 fucking tire threads on here.
Posi and Limited slip sukballz in snow, especially going around cornersQuote:
Originally Posted by Rideski
But awesome for parking lot snownuts!Quote:
Originally Posted by tuco
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rideski
But this thread also drifted into "My Hakkapelllkllitjshkfh are awesome" quickly, a long time ago.
It seems like those who have tried the all weather tires found them OK in snow - occupying that middle ground between all seasons and winter tires. Whether that turns out to be good enough snow performance probably depends on each person's specific location.
I think that a big consideration here is to also ditch the wide, low profile sizes that they put on a lot of "sport" designation models, which would help a bit.
I'm pissed that I can't find the "aggressive" all weathers I put on my Forester about seven years ago that worked so well, I bought a second pair when the first pair wore out (for effective snow usage, still good for summer) after about 30,000 miles. Continentals, but I forgot which ones, and Tire Rack doesn't have a record of it anymore.
Has the Michelin Cross Climate SUV been mentioned yet? Pricey, but, come recommended.
You’re more of a mechanic than me so opinion noted but I always thought my two Jeep’s were pretty good blizzard chasers and they had it. Not sure if my f150 does or not, it was passed to me by a friend. Both slightly irrelevant since I’d drop into 4wd for anything sketchy. Definitely have never driven highway speed in any rear wheel drive only vehicle on ice. My dad had a Gran Torino with posi and he loved to go driving in snow storms around the neighborhood. He wasn’t a skier though unfortunately.Quote:
Originally Posted by tuco
Still all about the tires or chains. Two spinning wheels are worse for traction than 1 for snow/ice.