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08-29-2016, 07:42 AM
Sirshredalot

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Originally Posted by strawjack

Ha!

What a great weekend for riding!

Still pussying out, then?
08-29-2016, 07:45 AM
joetron

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Originally Posted by Summit

That statement reeks of entitlement... unfounded entitlement.

Bikes were NEVER the primary user of roadways. They were always the 3rd tier minority behind horse/pedestrian and then motor/pedestrian.

Automobiles predate bicycles by a century if you go by prototypes, but if we go by machines we would recognize today, the pedal-bicycle was invented in 1860s and the gasoline powered automobile came along about 20 years later.

So if traffic obstruction is for visibility/safety purposes, it sounds like we need a public safety law mandating reflective fluorescent clothing... might interfere with everyone who wants to look like they are spancered-like-Lance... I mean Landis... I mean... who is the current roadie hero who has yet to get caught doping?

Also, we should mandate daytime running lights for bikes (just like new cars and motorcycles have for years).

And let's crack down on drinking and biking!

And let's crack down on bikers who don't wear helmets!

Don't like those ideas? Then stop pretending this is about safety.

The industry is already trending towards incorporating hi-viz colors into apparel and daytime running lights are becoming more popular by choice.

BUIs are not uncommon, especially in Boulder and Denver.

Regarding helmets, I'm sure your Jedi-like mastery of Google for helpful interweb argument statistics could yield hudge results, though perhaps contradictory. Some studies have found that helmets can encourage more risky behavior from cyclists, as well as influence drivers to pass more closely and drive more aggressively as the cyclist appears protected and armored.

But thanks for your concern.
08-29-2016, 08:08 AM
Benny Profane

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Originally Posted by strawjack

I haven't read the last 10 pages or so. Did I miss anything important? :biggrin:

I did about 70 miles in two sessions since this thread started.

Btw, I just bought a new rear blinking red light made by Bontranger. Awesome. Highly recommended after reading this shit.
08-29-2016, 08:33 AM
BmillsSkier

Bogner has blinking lights in their gear now?

Hot shit.
08-29-2016, 08:50 AM
strawjack

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Originally Posted by Sirshredalot

Still pussying out, then?

Been here since '05 and still don't get it.

Yup, totally.

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Originally Posted by Benny Profane

Btw, I just bought a new rear blinking red light made by Bontranger. Awesome. Highly recommended after reading this shit.

Good call. Anything to help you stay visible.

I had road bikes (motorcycles) for years and it was amazing how many people did not see me, but it is and was reality. Couldn't change it. Defensive riding is the way.
08-29-2016, 08:58 AM
muted

A dad on an adult trike with two kids hanging on the back (their heads were level to the dads ass) swerved in front of my car yesterday, going from the shoulder into my lane only going about 5mph in a 35mph? zone, in order for him to miss a pothole. I think the doofus hipster dad was drunk because that was the craziest thing I've seen a biker do in a long time. Sun was setting so I couldn't even see the biker very well but I was able to slam on the brakes. Was on 2700 South in SLC, a pretty fast/busy road. No helmets on anyone.

In other news, I made a really bad move driving yesterday where I was yelling at myself in the car, because I was so stupid, and the fact my 2 year old was in the car made everything worse. So whatever. We all make bad moves at some point, in a car or on a bike.
08-29-2016, 09:00 AM
gravitylover

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Originally Posted by Tippster

It's the special entitlement that bugs me.

Bottom of my hill is Rock Creek Park in DC. The road upstream from the intersection is closed off on weekends for biking, fruitbooting, jogging, etc. The intersection has a stop sign for the riders and walkers, NOT the car traffic coming down my street. I had the right of way and drove through that intersection when some 60something in spandex decided that the sign didn't apply to him and busted through the stop. I slammed on my brakes and didn't get within 10 feet of him. He proceeds to leave his bike on the ground right in front of my car and walks to my door to yell at me, telling me he's a lawyer and that I'm a dangerous driver and he will make sure I lose my license. His little Peloton catches up to him and joins the chorus.

I actually had to pick up my kid who was waiting at a street corner or I would have obliged the retard and waited for the cops. As it was I got out, moved his bike, got in, and drove off while these dickheads were yelling and taking selfies with my plate.

This happened 2 weeks ago, and no cops have knocked on my door. My wife rides road bikes for fun/exercise and in Centuries. Fuck cyclists like that asshole.

I don't know that I would have shown the same restraint that you did and only moved the bike. ...and this coming from a cyclist.
08-29-2016, 09:40 AM
joetron

Fu*king Cyclists

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Originally Posted by muted

A dad on an adult trike with two kids hanging on the back (their heads were level to the dads ass) swerved in front of my car yesterday, going from the shoulder into my lane only going about 5mph in a 35mph? zone, in order for him to miss a pothole. I think the doofus hipster dad was drunk because that was the craziest thing I've seen a biker do in a long time. Sun was setting so I couldn't even see the biker very well but I was able to slam on the brakes. Was on 2700 South in SLC, a pretty fast/busy road. No helmets on anyone.

In other news, I made a really bad move driving yesterday where I was yelling at myself in the car, because I was so stupid, and the fact my 2 year old was in the car made everything worse. So whatever. We all make bad moves at some point, in a car or on a bike.

Not that this has anything to do with the dumbass on the trike (I'm chalking that up to Utarded Parental Entitlement Syndrome rather than DCES)...but it brings up an interesting example.

I'm basically at 2700S and 1700E. 2700S is a great example of a street that should reduce its speed limit to 25. Between 1300E and 2000E there are 2 elementary schools and a church and multiple signed/painted crosswalks that are rarely acknowledged by drivers, since most are pushing 40mph.
And it actually is a 30mph street, not 35; but you'd never know it based on driver behavior and a few hard-to-spot signs.
It's a busy cyclist corridor (commuting and recreational) as its the only decent East/West route for a mile or two in either direction. You'll often see cyclists in the middle of the downhill Westbound lane, since the bike lane-ish/parking lane is full of giant potholes and other wheel smashing uneven pavement good times. It's a big utility corridor too, so it constantly gets torn up in random little spots.
I "Neighborhood Pace Car" the shit out of it multiple times a day, and watch people lose their shit in my rear view. I haven't been passed yet, but I've seen some aborted attempts.
08-29-2016, 10:06 AM
old goat

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Originally Posted by Tippster

It's the special entitlement that bugs me.

Bottom of my hill is Rock Creek Park in DC. The road upstream from the intersection is closed off on weekends for biking, fruitbooting, jogging, etc. The intersection has a stop sign for the riders and walkers, NOT the car traffic coming down my street. I had the right of way and drove through that intersection when some 60something in spandex decided that the sign didn't apply to him and busted through the stop. I slammed on my brakes and didn't get within 10 feet of him. He proceeds to leave his bike on the ground right in front of my car and walks to my door to yell at me, telling me he's a lawyer and that I'm a dangerous driver and he will make sure I lose my license. His little Peloton catches up to him and joins the chorus.

That's a tough one. Do we blame the sense of entitlement on him being a cyclist, 60 something, or a lawyer? Or all of the above. (Are you sure he's a real lawyer? Real lawyers don't make idle threats, they just carry them out without warning you.)

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Originally Posted by joetron

Not that this has anything to do with the dumbass on the trike (I'm chalking that up to Utarded Parental Entitlement Syndrome rather than DCES)...but it brings up an interesting example.

I'm basically at 2700S and 1700E. 2700S is a great example of a street that should reduce its speed limit to 25. Between 1300E and 2000E there are 2 elementary schools and a church and multiple signed/painted crosswalks that are rarely acknowledged by drivers, since most are pushing 40mph.

The way you "name" streets in SLC is fucked up.
08-29-2016, 10:18 AM
Dantheman

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Originally Posted by old goat

The way you "name" streets in SLC is fucked up.

Grid system FTMFW.
08-29-2016, 10:31 AM
Buster Highmen

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Originally Posted by old goat

The way you "name" streets in SLC is fucked up.

Try Grand Junction sometime.
08-29-2016, 10:43 AM
joetron

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Originally Posted by Buster Highmen

Try Grand Junction sometime.

Haha. Excellent.
"I'm at 16 3/8rd and G 13/16rd"
08-29-2016, 11:47 AM
muted

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Originally Posted by joetron

Not that this has anything to do with the dumbass on the trike (I'm chalking that up to Utarded Parental Entitlement Syndrome rather than DCES)...but it brings up an interesting example.

I'm basically at 2700S and 1700E. 2700S is a great example of a street that should reduce its speed limit to 25. Between 1300E and 2000E there are 2 elementary schools and a church and multiple signed/painted crosswalks that are rarely acknowledged by drivers, since most are pushing 40mph.
And it actually is a 30mph street, not 35; but you'd never know it based on driver behavior and a few hard-to-spot signs.
It's a busy cyclist corridor (commuting and recreational) as its the only decent East/West route for a mile or two in either direction. You'll often see cyclists in the middle of the downhill Westbound lane, since the bike lane-ish/parking lane is full of giant potholes and other wheel smashing uneven pavement good times. It's a big utility corridor too, so it constantly gets torn up in random little spots.
I "Neighborhood Pace Car" the shit out of it multiple times a day, and watch people lose their shit in my rear view. I haven't been passed yet, but I've seen some aborted attempts.

So the trike guy lives near you then, it happened a few blocks from there. I know that road well, I always think my shocks are blown when I drive on it. They need to pave it, that would solve a lot of issues. It's jarring in my car, never mind on my bike. I commute with thick-ish tires so I don't have to go in the middle of the road though.
08-29-2016, 12:00 PM
ex-powderbroker

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Originally Posted by strawjack

Good call. Anything to help you stay visible.

Yeah but not too visible. I think the blinking lights are pretty annoying, and especially the bright as the fucking sun white lights a lot of people rock at night now (pointed right at your eyes, and drivers)
08-29-2016, 12:15 PM
strawjack

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Originally Posted by ml242

Yeah but not too visible. I think the blinking lights are pretty annoying, and especially the bright as the fucking sun white lights a lot of people rock at night now (pointed right at your eyes, and drivers)

That is so true with headlights. The red flashing may be annoying, but the ones I've seen are not blinding, so I think those are a good thing. Last year a women was walking on the road and shined her LED flashlight right at my windshield and held it there. I couldn't see anything. Light angle is key.
08-29-2016, 12:49 PM
powdrhound

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Originally Posted by joetron

Haha. Excellent.
"I'm at 16 3/8rd and G 13/16rd"

Please tell me that that is an exaggeration...
08-29-2016, 12:58 PM
FormerKnuckleDragger

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Originally Posted by BigDaddy

Maybe you're talking extra wide roads, but around me, two abreast takes up half the road (as seen in my picture) and creates potential for a head on collision while trying to avoid the cyclist. It definitely does quite the opposite and makes things much more dangerous.

Or, you know, you could wait anywhere from 30 seconds to a minute or two until there are good enough sight lines to pass safely for all involved.

Yes, you'll be going marginally slower for a little while. Does it really matter? Other than the sense of frustration (I get it, I drive a car too), what's the harm?

A road lane is probably anywhere from 8 feet to 14 feet wide. Assuming the bike is a foot or two off the fog line on the right, you'd still be hard pressed to pass with three feet of room (that's the law here in California and some other states) without going into an oncoming lane.
08-29-2016, 01:00 PM
dunfree

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Originally Posted by FormerKnuckleDragger

Or, you know, you could wait anywhere from 30 seconds to a minute or two until there are good enough sight lines to pass safely for all involved.

Yes, you'll be going marginally slower for a little while. Does it really matter? Other than the sense of frustration (I get it, I drive a car too), what's the harm?

why do the two cyclists get to be assholes?
08-29-2016, 01:10 PM
FormerKnuckleDragger

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Originally Posted by dunfree

why do the two cyclists get to be assholes?

There's no difference one vs. two in terms of safety. To pass, you still have to go into the oncoming lane. If you pass even one cyclist without going halfway over into the oncoming lane, you're an asshole. Would you pass your child like that? No? Then don't do it to someone else's.

It just makes you more angry that they could be doing something that gets in your way. Recognize that.
08-29-2016, 01:16 PM
muted

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Originally Posted by FormerKnuckleDragger

Or, you know, you could wait anywhere from 30 seconds to a minute or two until there are good enough sight lines to pass safely for all involved.

Yes, you'll be going marginally slower for a little while. Does it really matter? Other than the sense of frustration (I get it, I drive a car too), what's the harm?.

Are you a robot asking how humans feel? You really don't know the answer? Are you a monk?

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Originally Posted by FormerKnuckleDragger

A road lane is probably anywhere from 8 feet to 14 feet wide. Assuming the bike is a foot or two off the fog line on the right, you'd still be hard pressed to pass with three feet of room (that's the law here in California and some other states) without going into an oncoming lane.

Why is there a reoccurring comment in this thread on how cars pass with 3 feet of room? Sure it's the law but in my experience people ditch that idea when there is no room and just buzz me. If I'm far right, they generally go slow by me because they know I am as far right as possible. If I'm two feet out on blind corners, they buzz me at a higher rate of speed and probably with a lot of anger. It makes no sense to me to be 1-2 feet out 99% of the time (when there are no parked cars). It's a lose-lose situation.

3 feet of room, yeah right. How many people even know this rule that doesn't bike?
08-29-2016, 01:21 PM
FormerKnuckleDragger

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Originally Posted by muted

Are you a robot asking how humans feel? You really don't know the answer? Are you a monk?

Didn't know this was a no rhetorical question zone. I'll do better next time.

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Originally Posted by muted

3 feet of room, yeah right. How many people even know this rule that doesn't bike?

Not many. And most road rage drivers are really, really wrong on what bikes can/can't do by law.
08-29-2016, 01:23 PM
dunfree

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Originally Posted by FormerKnuckleDragger

There's no difference one vs. two in terms of safety. To pass, you still have to go into the oncoming lane. If you pass even one cyclist without going halfway over into the oncoming lane, you're an asshole. Would you pass your child like that? No? Then don't do it to someone else's.

It just makes you more angry that they could be doing something that gets in your way. Recognize that.

I find self-indulgent half assed justifications for being an asshole make me irritated, not angry.
08-29-2016, 01:23 PM
BigDaddy

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Originally Posted by FormerKnuckleDragger

Or, you know, you could wait anywhere from 30 seconds to a minute or two until there are good enough sight lines to pass safely for all involved.

Yes, you'll be going marginally slower for a little while. Does it really matter? Other than the sense of frustration (I get it, I drive a car too), what's the harm?

A road lane is probably anywhere from 8 feet to 14 feet wide. Assuming the bike is a foot or two off the fog line on the right, you'd still be hard pressed to pass with three feet of room (that's the law here in California and some other states) without going into an oncoming lane.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you're a former knuckle dragger?

To answer your question, it's a fucking road, not a bike path. And it's used for commerce, not just your recreation. I hope you're just playing devils advocate, but fear not.
08-29-2016, 01:24 PM
Buster Highmen

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Originally Posted by powdrhound

Please tell me that that is an exaggeration...

3081 B 1/2 Rd, Grand Junction, CO 81503
221 31 3/10 Rd, Grand Junction, CO 81503
372 29 5/8 Rd, Grand Junction, CO 81504
2920 D 1/2 Rd, Grand Junction, CO 81504
08-29-2016, 01:27 PM
BigDaddy

Fu*king Cyclists

And have any of the militant bike nazis been to Europe? In Italy, from my experience, they will mow you down.
08-29-2016, 01:28 PM
FormerKnuckleDragger

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Originally Posted by BigDaddy

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that you're a former knuckle dragger?

To answer your question, it's a fucking road, not a bike path. And it's used for commerce, not just your recreation. I hope you're just playing devils advocate, but fear not.

I used to snowboard. But I got better.

I'm not a roadie. At all. I just think it's fucked up that people are as much of an asshole behind the wheel as they are behind the keyboard.
08-29-2016, 01:29 PM
BigDaddy

Fu*king Cyclists

Wait, who me?!

I'm all for sharing the road, but share is the key word.
08-29-2016, 01:32 PM
FormerKnuckleDragger

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Originally Posted by BigDaddy

Wait, who me?!

I'm all for sharing the road, but share is the key word.

All for you and none for them, right? Because 30 seconds of your life (whether single or double file) is worth more than their experience?
08-29-2016, 01:34 PM
muted

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Originally Posted by FormerKnuckleDragger

All for you and none for them, right? Because 30 seconds of your life (whether single or double file) is worth more than their experience?

Are you mixing up toddler day care with commuting on roads?

On the other hand, good for you for having patience while dealing with the Bay Area traffic. You do have a car, right?
08-29-2016, 01:46 PM
FormerKnuckleDragger

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Originally Posted by muted

Are you mixing up toddler day care with commuting on roads?

Well at least I can't say you're self-centered. And my toddlers are a bunch better at sharing than people who get pissed at people out for a road ride.

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Originally Posted by muted

On the other hand, good for you for having patience while dealing with the Bay Area traffic. You do have a car, right?

I live close enough to work not to have to drive. Otherwise I wouldn't live here. Yep, I do have a car. Mostly to take me places to bike and ski.
08-29-2016, 02:16 PM
ex-powderbroker

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Originally Posted by BigDaddy

Wait, who me?!

I'm all for sharing the road, but share is the key word.

This gets back to your earlier comment. Imagine you're biking on a road with no shoulder. maybe it's even a 4 lane road. So you as a cyclist take the right lane but it's spooky, you don't want to be there in a position you can get hit from behind. So the best thing you can do is take the lane, rather than hug the shoulder and encourage super sketchy passing along your left pinkie. Now there's a second bike. You both take up the lane, are far more visible, and at least you have company in the funeral home if you both get gunned down.

Less than 1/100th of a percent of my riding has been done like this, but my point is there is a place for it. Maybe even in the roundabout by your house. And since maybe as a driver "you" wouldn't know, the best thing you can do is de-rage and cut other people some slack (and I know YOU aren't buzzing cyclists or anything like that).

But this conversation keeps drifting into the notion that recreational cycling is selfish but it seems like many people, even here, are commuters and just trying to go about their lives. Same as the lady in the original video that was painted with a spandex brush. Not that there is anything wrong with people recreating, we should be able to make room for all purposes and people.
08-29-2016, 02:27 PM
BmillsSkier

Except the crazy girl in the op vid reached into a car, committed assault, and larceny. All because of a horn honk.

Who knows what all happened but cooler heads should have prevailed.
08-29-2016, 02:27 PM
BigDaddy

Fu*king Cyclists

Yeah, I'm totally fine... I'll give a toot so they know I'm there and pass them.

I drive slow as fuck on these roads... seriously. You should be so lucky as to have all drivers like me.

But on the highway, that's another story...
08-29-2016, 03:06 PM
Sirshredalot

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Originally Posted by BmillsSkier

Except the crazy girl in the op vid reached into a car, committed assault, and larceny. All because of a horn honk.

Who knows what all happened but cooler heads should have prevailed.

Go out to your garage, stand in front of your car's grill, and have someone lay on the horn. Have them do it while you're playing a video game on your phone that requires reflexes. Let us know how that goes.
08-29-2016, 03:23 PM
BmillsSkier

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Originally Posted by Sirshredalot

Go out to your garage, stand in front of your car's grill, and have someone lay on the horn. Have them do it while you're playing a video game on your phone that requires reflexes. Let us know how that goes.

You must have missed my "cooler heads should have prevailed"
statement in my post.

Im no courtroom dentist but I remember enough from the bar of what constitutes assault and larceny. She committed both. You may not like it but that's why the police are looking for her.

If we have any NY courtroom jocks, maybe they could weigh in and tell us if being honked at very closely is an affirmative defense to these crimes.
08-29-2016, 03:49 PM
dunfree

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Originally Posted by FormerKnuckleDragger

I live close enough to work not to have to drive. Otherwise I wouldn't live here. Yep, I do have a car. Mostly to take me places to bike and ski.

Not a local. Opinion invalid. Report to the pay 30% more for the same shit window.
08-29-2016, 03:56 PM
BmillsSkier

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Originally Posted by FormerKnuckleDragger

I live close enough to work not to have to drive. Otherwise I wouldn't live here. Yep, I do have a car. Mostly to take me places to bike and ski.

Hugh dreampt of posts like this. He killed himself off too soon. This could have anchored his magnum opus.
08-29-2016, 04:05 PM
Sirshredalot

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Originally Posted by BmillsSkier

You must have missed my "cooler heads should have prevailed"
statement in my post.

Im no courtroom dentist but I remember enough from the bar of what constitutes assault and larceny. She committed both. You may not like it but that's why the police are looking for her.

If we have any NY courtroom jocks, maybe they could weigh in and tell us if being honked at very closely is an affirmative defense to these crimes.

Did you do as I suggested or not?

Don't retreat into hack legal arguments. It's not impressive and doesn't make you seem clever.
08-29-2016, 04:08 PM
BmillsSkier

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Originally Posted by Sirshredalot

Did you do as I suggested or not?

Don't retreat into hack legal arguments. It's not impressive and doesn't make you seem clever.

1) what she did is, by law, a crime. Unless you don't believe in the law as it applies to others. In which case, good luck.

2) you lose. (Nothing personal man)

3) I don't own a video game on my phone so I can't act out your weird scenario even if I wanted to. Sorry.

4) if you still disagree just let me know where you'll be biking and I'll send DD's goons to follow you, take your water bottle or sunglasses and make a harmful or offensive contact with your face after you let out a loud noise. I'm told they're particularly rough.
08-29-2016, 04:12 PM
FormerKnuckleDragger

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Originally Posted by BmillsSkier

Hugh dreampt of posts like this. He killed himself off too soon. This could have anchored his magnum opus.

I think Hugh understood why people live in San Francisco. Wasn't he an IT guy around here?

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