What's Blizzard up to?

"Next, I jumped down to the Rustler 10s, which I found to be maneuverable and poppy (hopping from one transition to another over random-ass bumps turned into a fun game of whack-a-mole on the High T). Yet over time the skis revealed themselves to be a little deflective in the chop. According to Duke, Blizzard plans to increase the Rustler 10’s strength by 15-20 percent by the time they hit retail floors next fall."

Pulled this from the recent Powder Mag review of the new line up. I'm seeing new Rustler 10's in the shop at Sugarloaf, wondering if inventory at retail now is going to be different strength wise from what will ship next Fall.

Just the 188s which won't be in stores this Spring. Hansen skied one of the two test pairs we have in the US in size 188.

^^thanks. So a 180 may feel a little deflective in chop?

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"Next, I jumped down to the Rustler 10s, which I found to be maneuverable and poppy (hopping from one transition to another over random-ass bumps turned into a fun game of whack-a-mole on the High T). Yet over time the skis revealed themselves to be a little deflective in the chop. According to Duke, Blizzard plans to increase the Rustler 10’s strength by 15-20 percent by the time they hit retail floors next fall."

Pulled this from the recent Powder Mag review of the new line up. I'm seeing new Rustler 10's in the shop at Sugarloaf, wondering if inventory at retail now is going to be different strength wise from what will ship next Fall.

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Is the camber low, medium or high?

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^^thanks. So a 180 may feel a little deflective in chop?

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I think the 180 will fell appropriate for the size of person that skis on it. They will not feel like a 178 Cochise that weighs more than a pound more per ski.

Is the Rustler 11 something similar to the Gunsmoke(?) but more directional?
And what is ISO core? Do they just mean plastic sidewalls?

What difference will changing the ZeroG Pro to Grilamid from the current Pebax Triax3 make? Thanks!

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ZeroG pro and a new 115 Pro Women's will be in Grilamid for next year. Those are the only changes.

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That proves the gimmick in my eyes, and the lack of ski knowledge of their marketing guys and girls.

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From what I've gathered speaking to some Blizzard people you can ski them comfortably both ways, it's just that the effective radius will change. If you're skiing more open terrain you probably want to have the 30M sidecut on the inside edge whereas skiing trees you might want to have the 26m sidecut on the inside to make them a little more nimble. I skied two groomer laps, one each both ways round and they skied well enough both ways. But obviously that's a stupidly small sample on very inappropriate terrain, thus providing very little insight.

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From what I've gathered speaking to some Blizzard people you can ski them comfortably both ways, it's just that the effective radius will change. If you're skiing more open terrain you probably want to have the 30M sidecut on the inside edge whereas skiing trees you might want to have the 26m sidecut on the inside to make them a little more nimble. I skied two groomer laps, one each both ways round and they skied well enough both ways. But obviously that's a stupidly small sample on very inappropriate terrain, thus providing very little insight.

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I'm not buying it. Everything about the design says there is a left and a right. The effective edge length thing is "sided". And with this ski - the radius difference is specifically pitched toward an inside and outside ski (though I admit I am skeptical of the impact of the sidecut radius difference in a supposedly dedicated powder ski). In this video posted earlier - https://www.facebook.com/blizzardski...4921610279561/ - the designers talked extensively about the intent of the asymmetry.

Seems Blizzard needs to get their story together....

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Is the Rustler 11 something similar to the Gunsmoke(?) but more directional?
And what is ISO core? Do they just mean plastic sidewalls?

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Plastic Sidewalls?

http://www.isosport.com/en/categories/isocore

It's a material Dynafit was using when Blizzard built them back in the day. I believe it's the center strip in the core with the other woods laminated in strips around it. It's been used in the cores of a lot of the Freeride skis over the last 5 or 6 years. A lightweight material

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I'm not buying it. Everything about the design says there is a left and a right. The effective edge length thing is "sided". And with this ski - the radius difference is specifically pitched toward an inside and outside ski (though I admit I am skeptical of the impact of the sidecut radius difference in a supposedly dedicated powder ski). In this video posted earlier - https://www.facebook.com/blizzardski...4921610279561/ - the designers talked extensively about the intent of the asymmetry.

Seems Blizzard needs to get their story together....

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Not 100% sure but I think Kyle Taylor is the only athlete in the US other than Jackie that has had a bunch of time on them. He has quite a few days of days on them in deep snow.

I'll have to ask him if he's tried them on the opposite foot. Personally I have no idea why you would even want to??? I reached out to Jackie to see what she has to say.

This is the first I've heard of anyone saying they work better on the opposite foot for certain conditions or skiing. Not sure where that is coming from.

When I've skied them I don't know if I would say that there is one specific design element that stands out but a blend of a few things. I think the asymmetric design and different lengths of the inside and outside of the ski have a distinct effect on how the skis transition. All I know is they feel incredibly quick for a 124mm 192cm ski.

I am very excited about them and in the little I've talked to Kyle he is equally as pumped on them. Stoked to spend more time on them in more types of snow. Definitely going to be taking them to AK in April.

Rustler 11 tail

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Rustler 11 Tip

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Rustler 11 tail

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Rustler 11 Tip

https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...4d30b35d3e.jpg

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Now give us shots of the 10....

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Now give us shots of the 10....

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Fortunately, local shop had a pair of 180s. They look sweet. Sorry for the half assed pics
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Basically, low camber and just enough tail rocker to release easily. Tip rocker is medium except pretty steep right at the tips. They feel light in hand.

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Fortunately, local shop had a pair of 180s. They look sweet. Sorry for the half assed pics
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Basically, low camber and just enough tail rocker to release easily. Tip rocker is medium except pretty steep right at the tips. They feel light in hand.

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Thanks for the rocker porn Andy... I love the dims of the ski as well as the rocker... If reports of the ski say it can handle crud this ski will be in my bloated quiver next year...

In trying to decide if it gets a tech binding or an alpine clamp

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In trying to decide if it gets a tech binding or an alpine clamp

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Dynafits for me if i go in this direction. They do look sweet.

Andy, which shop is that? Seattle Ski?

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Andy, which shop is that? Seattle Ski?

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Seattle Pro Ski. One pair of 180s. Are you guys getting any?

According to Blister, the original Bodacious is coming back? Is that the totally flat, insanely stiff one, or the first green one with a little bit of camber?

I believe it is the first gen cruise missile

yowsa

It is and being made in pretty limited quantities... I so badly want to try this ski...

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It is and being made in pretty limited quantities... I so badly want to try this ski...

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So was the original Spur the first season and it was easy to find until mid February

There will be considerably less Bodacious than the first Spur. I was told the total would be 150 pairs and that's it. I believe it's a one and done at least for the next two years. We'll see.

Very first construction was what all the requests were for. It got slightly stiffer the next two years and then the green one was quite a bit softer. Green one had no camber. If you got one with camber doubt it had more than 1mm per ski which is within the tolerance.

That year Cochise got a little camber but not the Bodacious.

Was a good day for these guys today. Amazing how far "Comp" skis have come in the last 5 years.


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Was a good day for these guys today. Amazing how far "Comp" skis have come in the last 5 years.

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I think the judging criteria has changed in the last five+ years with Difficulty of Line pulling less weight and giving more value to Air & Style. /armchair quarterback.

Regardless, those Rustlers seemed to handle the mank down low at high speeds just fine, as well as a few burly landings. Neither Leo or Loic needed that tail rocker, though. Interesting they choose it, frankly. Gives confidence that ski is burly underfoot.

to bring some perspective, keep in mind between Leo and Loic that Leo is the lardass of the 2 , being 5 9 and 150 lbs :rolleyes:. Loic is even smaller and lighter. I know Leo used to be on the 193 gunsmokes all the time and Loic on 186 mostly , sometimes 193.
wondering what size Rustler they are on (i'm thinking 192)

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to bring some perspective, keep in mind between Leo and Loic that Leo is the lardass of the 2 , being 5 9 and 150 lbs :rolleyes:. Loic is even smaller and lighter. I know Leo used to be on the 193 gunsmokes all the time and Loic on 186 mostly , sometimes 193.
wondering what size Rustler they are on (i'm thinking 192)

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I'm 5'9" & 150. So that's interesting as hell. Thanks!

Theyre also skiing almost all powder on the FWT. It'd be interest to see them on the US FWQ which is often firm snow. I've found that lightweight skis can actually work just fine if its mostly powder. Its when its mostly tracked out or firm when you need to be even more on your A game and/or tone it down.

Will you just go compete on the FWQ already?

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Will you just go compete on the FWQ already?

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What the entry fee cost for a FWQ event?

~$160 for the 4* events.

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~$160 for the 4* events.

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Perhaps we could all chip in a few bucks to help Lindahl enter an event?

I'm in.

In for $37

Loic/Leo on the 114 so 188 version for them

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Will you just go compete on the FWQ already?

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Lindahling should be the 6th judging criteria column

Got my hands first time on the new Spur and the new old Bodacious. Both are lookin really bad ass motherfuckaz. Spurs look like fun, though. Instant hard on imaging the ski in some deep pow.

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There will be considerably less Bodacious than the first Spur. I was told the total would be 150 pairs and that's it. I believe it's a one and done at least for the next two years. We'll see.

Very first construction was what all the requests were for. It got slightly stiffer the next two years and then the green one was quite a bit softer. Green one had no camber. If you got one with camber doubt it had more than 1mm per ski which is within the tolerance.

That year Cochise got a little camber but not the Bodacious.

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My Bodacious are pre-green, but I don't think the first year. I would not consider them insanely stiff. I actually use them as a resort powder ski, and they do perform well in the chopped up.

From what you are saying the OG is slightly less stiff, than year two and three. Seems like that ski would be just about perfect.