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I tried a pair of BGs a few years ago, maybe toe 09-10 season and found I didn't like them. But I thought the shape them was more like an s7 with a lot of sidecut. It sounds like the ski has changed since then, I'll have to look at it.
If you're at stevens and have a boot close to a 305, I can let you take my 192's for a run or two.
I have a pair of 191 bg tours and a pair of gpos in 187. Skied the billygoats a few days last year, gpos still unmounted.Quote:
Originally Posted by XavierD
I think the biggest difference is the shape of the tip. While the bg has the wide RES tip for flotation and slarving, the tip of the gpo is more like a bulletnose. It looks like a slightly wider ehp IMO. My bg tours are great, but do get bounced around in chop, I guess the gpo while slice through chop better, but will float a bit less.
Flex of tours is a tiny bit softer than med+ gpo. Guess stock bg is stiffer than stock gpo.
I'm really looking forward to skiing the gpos as I think they have some of the best traits from the ehp (mellow rocker, bulletnose, a touch of tail rocker), but improve upon the ehp were I found the ehp lacking (a bit more surface up front, a bit more sidecut, a tiny bit less center-mounted)
I skied both 192 gpo and 191 BG back to back last season. BG has the better float, gpo is more nimble, neither appears to have a speed limit.
That thread is around here somewhere...
anyone with time on the GPO also have a place in their heart for the 05/06 ninja gotama (before added sidecut)? I'm looking for a everyday PNW ski replacement for my beloved gotamas, looking to keep the feel, characteristics of the gotama (very versatile, damp, even flex, etc) but try out some rocker, more girth and improved crud performance. I may be seeking a unicorn but.... GPO, BG and a couple others may fit the bill. thanks.
Could any of you do a GPO - Protest comparison?
I love my 187 Protests to bits, and find them stupidly versatile. However, I don't want to ski them all the time (mustn't dilute the magic), so I'm looking for another ski to do parallel NZ clubfield service.
If you don't know and want the long story, Blister has written lots lately about the Clubbies, but the abridged version is: No trees; big open bowls/faces for big fast turns, alternating with tighter couloirs.
Any type of snow you can imagine - and then some - but often windsift, chalk, shallow powder, corn.
The GPO sounds perfect for this; loves to go fast, can edge, yet will still smear/slarve.
Thanks
GPOs and Speed Superlights...just in time for the new snow on Baker!
Rather like the red binding and purple ski together.
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I will be able to do a 196 protest vs 192 gpo later this season.
You're welcome
192 GPO and a 187 Protest here.
The 182s above are just for early and late season bc objecives.
Made a side by side of some DPS and my Protests yesterday. Use the rocker and camber profile of a 120 and the ski shape of the 138 or Spoon and you have what at least in appearence is a Protest. Reasuring having not been on the Protest yet :biggrin:
That is a sexy looking ski.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dane1
I meant to ask, Dane: where did you mount at?
-2.5cm behind the dimple for both pair. Fingers crossed I'll like them there!
I shall look forward to it.Quote:
Originally Posted by SupreChicken
Cheers
Gotta get the wife's 180 medium flex mounted. Any suggestions? I'm thinking -1 or -2cm.
You're talking 182 GPO, I assume. Women's mounts run forward typically (by +1 cm).Quote:
Originally Posted by concretejungle
I have the same ski (length and flex) and am thinking -2 cm or -2.5 cm.
I'll mount with marker tours, and use them mainly for resort based skiing.
I'd likely recommend mounting at -1 cm for her.
How tall is she?
182. She's 5'11 and not a stick. Probably Mounted with Barons.Quote:
Originally Posted by hoarhey
The 274 cm GPO.
Daikon- very interesting article.
And yes Praxis- will you be making a 274cm GPO?
This thread has 16 pages and no recipes??!Quote:
Originally Posted by Daikon
Seeing your username: A friend of mine did some translation work in Japan and the publishing company took him out to a fancy many course private room dinner. One of the courses was octopus garnished with daikon radish. After the course they came out and asked,
- Did you like this course?
- He said, yes it was very good.
- Would you like to know how it was made?
- Yes I would like to. (They were clearly in impress/shock the Westerner mode, but he's an adventurous eater. Also naturally he was playing up this story to impress us.)
- Well, first we take the octopus, and a large daikon radish, and then we beat the octopus to death with the daikon, and that tenderizes it. Slice them both up and serve.
I'd like to take a Praxis GPO and beat some Niseko powder to death with it!
UPS man just dropped off my GPOs, hybrid carbon med/stiff in 187! Beautiful craftsmanship. Now I need to sort out that mount point... my inclination is -1.5, perhaps -2. Keith said in an e-mail he wouldn't suggest going back more than -4, as he thought that would compromise performance. Anybody else finalize their mounts yet?
Just read through this thread.
Thanks for all the info.
Ski looks bonerific!
Anyone want some Rubies?
I will probably own a pair of these at some point. These could be the ski when my Garbones die. I haven't paid a ton of attention since I've been quite pleased with my quiver, but these look pretty perfect. Traditional-ish design with tip rocker a tad of tail splay.
I'd be interested in a showdown between GPOs, current ON3P Wrenegades and 2014 Moment Governors with the narrower tip.
I would think Jag Sharks/Governors and maybe the Influence(115) would be the obvious comparison. Wrens at the longest and shortest lengths.
No 186 Wren coming, huh? Sorry, off topic.
I own older Praxis RXs, current Praxis GPOs, first gen ON3P Wren, and current ON3P BillyGoat. I've also skied the current ON3P Wren. I can definitely say that the ON3P ski that is most comparable to the GPO is the BillyGoat. Likewise, the Praxis RX is the most similar to the Wren.Quote:
Originally Posted by D(C)
GPO has much more rocker, much more taper, much more sidecut, and a much shorter running length than the Wren. Two totally different skis IMO.
Finally got em mounted. Right on the dimple. GPO and Concept quiver for the year. Honestly Its hard for me to imagine liking a ski more than my Concepts but I'm keeping an open mind. Will report back after some snow time. btw D(C) will be able to give some opinions compared to the skinny garbones and the Jag Shark 11/12.
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Those are 187s, right?
I've been looking at my GPOs beside my automatics the last couple days, and I'm really starting to think mounting on the dimple is the way to go. Maybe -.5, not that I'd really notice it.
To me, the mount looks just right in that picture.
Yep 187. Now that they are mounted I got to click in and stand on them. I mean what can you really tell from standing on your basement floor, but for me if felt great. There is a decent amount of tail, but the long gradual rocker should make it super smooth and easy to slarve around, while still giving lots of support for landing all my gnarly 10 footers.
I'm working on mount points for both touring and in bounds binders. I am thinking of a -1 mount for radicals and + 1 mount for sollys. I think having a slightly more centered mount for inbounds skiing will be good. I bounced this idea off Drew, and he seemed to agree with a slightly rearward mount for touring. He did caution against mounting to far back. Obviously everything is personal preference, but that is my $0.02.Quote:
Originally Posted by andybrnr
Hm, those do look like very elliptical tips. Can you really get on them on edge on harder stuff?
I only now got around to pulling out the measuring tape. The recommended line on the automatics is 81.5 from the tail, and the dimple on the GPO is 86cm from the tail.Quote:
Originally Posted by 98brg2d
My auto's are mounted at 83cm (+1.5) but I think +2.5-3 would be perfect, which would be -1.5-2cm on the GPO, although the GPO's tail looks much more supportive and has way less rocker than the autos.
I keep talking myself in circles and changing my mind. I ski pretty centered most of the time, driving the tips occasionally, but I'm thinking there's going to be way too much tail back there if I mount on the dimple. Damn first world problems...
Mounted Dynafits on my GPOs today. Used a 9mm delrin block under the toe piece to neutralize most of the binding-induced ramp angle, boot center at -1.5cm of the dimple. I'm almost willing to haul them up to Camp Muir this weekend just to try them out, though waiting for a powder day would probably be smarter.
^187? Assume that we are talking about the mark on the sidewall that looks like it was done with a hot compass point or similar, right?Quote:
Originally Posted by powder fiend
I took some skinny PDGs up earlier in the week. Pretty hard till things warm up. Nice corn on the way down mid morning. GPO might be fun later in the day. Haven't found the energy yet to haul mine up yet. Waiting for that next big storm. FWIW I mounted Speed Superlights @ -2.5. No toe blocks required thankfully.Quote:
Originally Posted by andybrnr
yes and yesQuote:
Originally Posted by givethepigeye
Can you enlighten me on the riser you used? I'm also wondering if it is feasible to use a riser with sollyfit plates? Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by andybrnr
DIY with help from a friend at MMW in Bellevue. Bought a chunk of 9mm black delrin from TAP Plastics, penciled down a pattern, jigsawed out. Used an old G3 tele binding jig to reference hole pattern, used the 3 pin line as the toe pin line. Clamped cut plastic to jig, drilled holes, marked reference line. Used Dynafit jig to transfer toe pin line to ski, then used G3 jig to drill holes in ski. Mounted toe block to ski. Used Dynafit mounting jig to mark hole positions on assembled ski+toe block, drill, mount bindings. Tape measure verified accuracy to within +/- 1mm. Many thanks to Eric for the help (and the always excellent boot work).
One could imagine doing something similar with Solyfit plates (drill DIY block with solly hole pattern and mount to plate, then drill block with dynafit hole pattern and mount toe piece). Just remember, measure-measure-cut, not measure-cut-measure is the appropriate work flow...
Just logged my first turns since July on the Muir snowfield with GPO 187/Vulcan setup. The 2.5 mile hike to skinnable snow was a little bit of a downer, but the corn harvest around 3:45 was damn good. Observations: 1) I need a little more boot work, Vulcans put my feet in a death grip around the edges. Think some shims to raise a bit into the wider region of the shell will do it, had the same issue initially with the TLT-5P. 2) GPOs are a blast in corn. Seem fast edge to edge, especially given the 115mm waist; very poppy with the carbon layup, could really load them up in GS turns. They want to haul ass, quite stable with minimal chatter at speed when transitioning from good corn to refrozen with aspect changes, held a nice edge. Not the intended design point for the ski, but it handled it beautifully and put a smile on my face. This is the first really beefy ski I've owned after a collection of mostly lighter stuff for skimo and light touring; while there is a weight penalty for the up, the down is a blast.
Nobody really answered my specific weird question, so I'll ask a more general one:
On skis like this, the Billy Goat, Automatic, some Rossignol offerings, etc, does the edge engage in the reverse/reverse section of the tip (or tail) when you get it up on edge?
Can only speak to squad and GPO. Squad does not engage as well as GPO. But both will carve. Squad is more loose but still carves surprisingly well for a pow ski. GPO rails groomers and engages completely