Mrs. Rontele had many allergies and sickness that when she substantially cut gluten out of her diet went away. Pretty amazing.
Mrs. Rontele had many allergies and sickness that when she substantially cut gluten out of her diet went away. Pretty amazing.
When you read about Celiac's, it's amazing how even a tiny amount of wheat can start the ball rolling........I've lost my taste for the shit and don't miss it one bit. This is coming from a guy who used to eat Shredded Wheat every damn day and made home made bread and pizza crust all the time.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rontele
Totally agree here. I also really like Michael Pollan's quote that you can eat all the junk food you want...as long as you make it yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trackhead
That must be nice, the Homemade Pizza thread makes me drool and want to make pizza.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trackhead
I've been trying to motivate myself to get some chickens for years now, I need to get off my ass and do it.
30 + days in now and I feel great. I've dropped a lot of the extra fat around my mid section and am now on belt hole 5 instead of hole 3 when I started. I've even got the horsehoe back in my triceps. The rise in energy has been amazing as well as how easily I sleep now! I used to always feel lathargic and had a lot of trouble getting my eight hours in each night. Now, I wake up refreshed and ready to tackle the day. It's been a lot of fun experiementing with the food, too. The wife and I make a batch of our own beef jerky each week, I've become a gourmet almond flour pancake maker, and we've come up with some really good paleo curries and sauces for our meats. Tomorrow, I'm going out to visit 'our' cow which will be slaughtered next week. Although German meat is typically a lot more healthy than the stuff you find at the Safeway in the US, it still is grain-fed meat. Our cow, however, is grass-fed and is not kept in a barn, hidden away from sunlight like a lot of the cows/pigs/chickens are. Can't wait to BBQ a steak up from Rosa (yes, the cow's name is Rosa...). I've also found a chain of butchers who carry organic, pasteurized poultry and grass-fed pig and cow products. They are an hour drive away, but it's worth it.
My friends keep asking me if eating the way we do is expensive. I tell them it really isn't when you consider how much money is usually spent on shit food at the grocery store. I also tell them this is not a diet, but a lifestyle change. Both my wife and I really haven't found it that difficult to make the change either. We were severly tested on our 10 day trip down to Italy last week, but only cheated once - we had a small gellato each. But, no pasta, no bread, and no sweets. Instead, we were able to sample a lot of the wild game that they serve up in Tuscany. The wild boar was amazingly good!
This is what bugs me when simpletons state that although we have expensive health care here, our life expectancy isn't that great, but nobody takes into account our that our agricultural system is completely fucked and misguided, as is our diet, and our health is a result of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DeutschBag
When the American Heart Association is endorsing (selling their endorsement) Cocoa Puffs as "heart healthy", well, perhaps that's what's wrong with America.
If you eat store-bought meats and eggs, it's doable for relatively cheap. If you buy local, farm-raised meats and eggs, Paleo is not cheap. That's not to say you can't limit your costs, but you can't replace cheap calories like rice, flour, potatoes and beans with expensive calories like meat and eggs and break even. I'm not saying it's not worth it, but I keep seeing people try to defend Paleo as inexpensive, when it's really not. Quality, whole foods have a price. To me it's worth it, but I have no misconceptions about the added expense.
On a separate note. I scored 10 pounds of leaf lard and rendered 3 of it last week. Been using it in place of butter for cooking, but what else can I do with it? I'm having a hard time not to make pie crust and biscuits with this stuff.
True, but perhaps the true cost of meat isn't what is in stores, but what is raised on farms. People invest so much on their material shit, then don't invest anything in their health. I'd rather ride a 5 year old bike, 4 year old skis, and drive an old car, and spend the difference on good food.Quote:
Originally Posted by bagtagley
I buy organic food selectively. Research which fruits/vegies are the biggest offenders, and buy those organic, the rest are just regular supermarket stuff.
Priorities in this country are focused on gaining more fancy shit, more debt, bigger homes, more stress, and ultimately, a miserable life.
Nutritionally there isn't a big difference between organic fruits and veggies and non. There is a big difference nutritionally between grass fed meat and grain fed meat. I'm not sure about eggs but I like the taste of born3 eggs more than cheaper kinds.
The choice to buy organic is more about ethical farming than nutrition. Some people buy organic because it is more expensive.
damn i need a slick website!! $3.50lb is a bit high IMO. i sold my last batch for $2.60 and a guy down the road is selling grass fed for $2.30 you also only get 2/3's of the hang weight (bones and shrinkage) so its going to work out to about $5.30lbQuote:
Originally Posted by Trackhead
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i still have a bit left if anyone is interested http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ead.php/211948
Junk food is extremely expensive. Check out how much cookies, cakes, and even breakfast cereal costs per calorie...even BREAD is fucking expensive, especially the 'heart-healthy' (not) whole-grain bread you're supposed to be eating. Frozen dinners and any prepared foods are astoundingly expensive, too.
The worst is all that Weight Watchers shit, whose entire point is to give you the least food for the most money. $3.50 for maybe 250 calories? Fuck me.
If you're eating beans and rice you cook yourself, you've got a point about paleo costing more...but if you're like most of America, eating Hot Pockets, cold cereal, frozen pizzas, cookies, crackers, and fancy bread, it won't be a budget-breaker. Remember that you'll be eating a lot more hamburger and stew meat than steaks and chops...
Not to mention the whole eating out thing. Let's see, I can get a three-egg omelet, three strips of bacon, and a giant pile of fried potatoes for $10 after tax and tip...or I can fix it myself for under $2.
Specifically, vitamin K2 MK4, which is the form that our bodies actually need and does the most good. It's also in pastured butter and dairy, btw.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trackhead
And American nutrition will continue to be totally fucked as long as we subsidize agribusiness to overproduce corn, soy, and wheat. Seriously: we grow so much extra corn that the government has to force us to burn it in our cars at a net energy loss? What the fucking fuck!
Butter from grass fed cows also has far more Vitamin K2 content, with K2 content being almost non-existent in common store bought butter. Pastured eggs have double the Vitamin K2 content (not the Vit K1 found in spinach, etc) of regular corn fed chickens, a far better Omega 3:6 ratio, and a higher degree of choline.Quote:
Originally Posted by hafilax
Why VK2? Read about Vitamin D3 and how your body depends on K2 to activate it. Unless you're eating natto, it's highly likely the standard American diet is not providing a decent amount of VK2.
Organic vegies have lest pesticides. Like I said before, I only by organic vegies that would otherwise have a high pesticide rate.
Nothing will ever change. Every year I work in the ER, I take care of fatter and fatter people. Everyone has diabetes and hypertension now. Little 2 year old kids are coming in sucking on a Coke, morbidly obese, at two years of age. And their parents wonder why I can't get an IV in their chubby kids arm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spats
Every year they seem to make CT scanners heavier duty to accommodate the obese. Paramedics now have hydraulic lift stretchers. Half of our wheelchairs are double wide, every chair for family in the patient rooms is double wide. The new standard is here, and it's all double wide.
I've been doing this for almost two months now and I think my grocery bill may be a bit higher, but overall I am certain that I am spending less overall on food. Even if I spent more, its so fucking worth it. Down over 20lbs and feel a shit ton better.
Anybody see Gary Taubes on the Dr Oz Show? What a joke, how can this guy possibly agree with anything Taubes says when his show is sponsored by Post Cereal and Weight Watchers?
I've read that pesticides wash off pretty easily and that there isn't much difference between organic and non. I could be wrong.
Again for me it's more of an issue of sustainable farming.
Just got back from visiting the free range farm by my place here in Germany. The guy running it is a total trip, but in a great way. He reminds me a lot of some of my friends back in Oregon. It turns out that the cow we're getting is a Scottish Highland cow. He also sells pig, goat, goose, duck along with eggs and some other products. I bought 10 eggs from him and fried a few up this morning - best damn eggs I've ever had! He also gave me some goat salami and some schwein and leber wurst. I'm really looking forward to getting our 60kilos of meat from him in two weeks! I took some pictures this morning. I'll put a couple up when I get around to taking them off the camera.
Also wanted to mention that I'm able to get locally grown organic, or Bio as they say here, fruits and veggies at the weekend markets. A lot of the grocery stores carry 'Bio' labeled produce that are twice the cost of the other produce. Honestly, I haven't noticed any difference between the Bio and non-bio labeled produce. I just make sure to wash everything well. I also try to buy all I can at the market so that I know it's not coming from Brazil or India - the origin of a lot of Euro fruit. If I can't get what I want at the weekend market from the local organic farmers, I'll try to buy the more local product at the store instead of something labeled 'Bio' that was flown in from flippin' India.
Sick people are VERY PROFITABLE for the health-care industry...soon to be entirely paid for by the taxpayers.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trackhead
1) The government pays Big Agribusiness $billions to overproduce grains that make us fat and diabetic
2) The government tells us it's healthy to eat all these grains that they just happen to have huge stockpiles of
3) Americans dutifully eat them, becoming fat and diabetic and requiring lifelong drug therapy that makes $billions for drug companies, and for the management of for-profit hospitals and insurance companies through government-paid-for health care like Medicare (and, soon, Obamacare)
4) Meanwhile, doctors, paramedics, nurses, techs, and actual medical workers get pay cuts because Medicare keeps shrinking (yet somehow the salaries of management and administrators never seem to shrink)
5) And healthy taxpayers pay for all of it
It's like some fucked-up science fiction novel where the oblivious population is being fattened for slaughter.
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rontele
So I just read all 376 posts in this thread. Some good info on each side. About 4 months ago I had no clue what Paleo even meant, but my wife and I had some friends that have kids that were developing some pretty serious behavioral problems, and they thought the kids might have some level of autism. The kids were having violent outbursts. So they found a doctor that suggested it could be diet related, and initially had them cut out all gluten. The kids behavior had a big turn around in the period of about 60 days, and the wife's minor joint pain went away entirely. They continued doing research and came across something called Leaky Gut Syndrome ( http://www.ubernatural.com/en/gut-dysbiosis.html ) and they did a whole detox program, and now the kids have done a complete 180 in the last 6 months.
Fast forward to New Years Eve, and we saw some friends that had been trying to get pregnant for over 2 years, and at a cost of about 50 grand, and they found a doctor that suggested a gluten free diet, and within 3 months she was pregnant. She's still a high risk case based on her difficulties, but she's had no complications so far and is about 5 months along with a healthy baby.
Skip ahead to last week, and my wife being frustrated with not being able to lose weight she has put on as she's been training for cycling season(she has various food allergies), and we started talking about trying a Paleo style diet, and we both feel much much healthier and have dropped a few pounds. I'll update the thread with our progress as it comes, but based off the things we've seen from our friends personal experiences, I think it's the real deal at this point. It definitely takes some planning, and considering I'm not lactose intolerant, I won't be giving up chocolate milk, but I think it's something that we'll be able to stick to pretty easily.
My biggest impediment to going fully gluten free is beer. I don't drink a lot of it, but you can pry it from my cold dead hands.
Dan, I consider myself fairly paleo driven and I drink beer. Life is too short.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
Edit: And its not even gluten free beer!!
hitek, great post. I would like to encourage you to jump right in for the first 60 days. Go as strict as you can and do a "human experiment". Take a before and after picture.
You can cheat on Paleo and chocolate milk would be just that, but treat it like a cheat.
And just in case you want more advice:redface: add some heavy lifting to tie it together. Your wife will benefit if she is not already lifting.
.... your next book?Quote:
Originally Posted by Spats
this, x2Quote:
Originally Posted by Trackhead
just did a lift assist last week on a 1100lb patient. 38 years old- fire had to take the door off so we could get him out. put him on this tarp-like stretcher and into a bariatric rig that's basically an enormous truck (not ours, but looks like this):
http://aetnaambulance.net/images/services_img4.jpg
i'd say i respond to calls for 300lb+ people at least 2 or 3 x a day, every shift. and i live work in what's considered a slim/healthy area of the country! (SF bay area) Can't imagine what it's like to be EMS out in middle america. it's gotten to the point where i look at our pager when we get a call and am like "good, they're old- they wont be enormous and we won't have to kill ourselves lifting them" ... although this theory was debunked a couple months ago when we had a 380lb 88 year old woman! (who also had 60 birds in her trailer, 3 cats and 5 dogs.... and her primary caretaker was her 66 year old niece)
anyways, dont have any inclination to try paleo myself, i love pizza, bread, burritos and beer too much. :) wish all you diehards the best.
Holy shit :eek::eek::eek:Quote:
Originally Posted by BeanDip4All
yeah i had mixed emotions about it. mainly because the guy was REALLY NICE. he kept apologizing CONSTANTLY as the 10 of us moved him "i'm sorry, i'm sorry, thank you guys, i'm sorry" ... and on and on the whole time. he was a sweet man. had actually lost a LOT of weight a couple years ago (350lbs) but then gained it all back and then some.Quote:
Originally Posted by mrryde
hopefully he'll just go inpatient at a snf or something along those lines where he can't have 24-7 access to food or his enablers and just completely overhaul/re-program himself. :-/
Scary fact: our functional lifespan is actually DECREASING in America. We're living longer...and losing more years to health so bad we don't even have functional mobility.
http://www.gnolls.org/864/the-lipid-...art-2-of-many/
Also, the prevalence of "overweight" people hasn't changed much in America since the 1960s...what's skyrocketed is the prevalence of "obese" and "extremely obese" people.
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5168/...513222f3b7.jpg
This doesn't make sense at first glance: you'd expect "overweight" to be increasing along with everything else. But it doesn't. It turns out that anyone who gains weight just blasts straight through to "obese" or "extremely obese". This means that we've somehow managed to break human metabolism in America.
trackhead, bagtagley, DeutschBag, hitek, mrryde: I'm glad to hear that you're seeing improvements! I've definitely noticed some minor health annoyances going away after going gluten-free...and I've never in my life suffered from IBS or any of the typical gluten syndromes.
Deutsch: I'm with you, I'd rather buy locally grown conventional produce than "organic" shipped from Chile. Jet fuel isn't organic.
bags: it's not 'paleo', but I bet you could make a delicious gluten-free cheesecake crust with leaf lard. Cheesecake crust is all crumbly anyway so the gluten shouldn't matter...although I don't have a recipe. And, of course, there's the old "get a mini deep fryer and go to town with potatoes" trick. If you're worried about losing too much weight, potato chips fried in leaf lard will take care of your problems. I run mine on grass-fed beef tallow :D
Systemic pesticides don't wash off. Surface pesticides can be washed off, though the wax coating can make that more difficult. That also assumes that none of the surface pesticides have penetrated the skin or been absorbed through the root system.Quote:
Originally Posted by hafilax
I agree though that sustainability typically trumps labels.
Spats: Good call on the cheesecake.
Stoked:
Found a local egg producer 4 blocks out of my way on my commute to work. Honor system eggs. Open fridge in front of garage, take eggs, leave money. Great price too.
Picked up a dozen yesterday. Nice rich yolk. Chickens hopping around in big back yard.
Where? How much per dozen? Enough inventory that I could grab 3 or 4 dozen and not clean them out?
Anyone do organ meats on a regular basis? I've been trying to get into offal lately since it's nutritious and cheap. Results have been mixed. I've been a lover of roasted marrow bones for awhile now, and the tacos de lengua and buche (fried pork stomach) at the taco cart near my office are damn tasty. The tripe was awful though, tasted like eating my socks after a full day tour.
I tried making a stew with beef heart a few weeks back. The flavor was barely distinguishable from muscle meat, but it was pretty dry and tough even after hours of gentle simmering. If the meat had been tender it would have been great. I assume there is just too little fat and connective tissue for it to break down into gelatinous goodness like a tough muscle cut does. I am going to revisit this though, I'm thinking that if I have the butcher counter grind it I could put it in chili and never know that it wasn't regular ground beef.
Last night I tried some beef liver that steepconcrete threw into my meat order for free. The flavor was a little tough to get past but doable with a strong sauce, but I had major issues with the texture. It was simultaneously chewy yet mushy and grainy. No desire to try it again at the moment.
DTM,
Nope. But marksdailyapple just had a whole post on how to do organ meat and get past some of the gating issues (taste and texture), which you discussed.
Two places now...........one at work from coworker (free), the other is in Sandy. I'm not sure how much she produces. I'll send you a PM with the details.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
Rontele - Yeah, I read that MDA post. Going to try heart jerky for sure.
haha im right there with ya man-> liver is gnarly. mom used to make it for us as kids, she would cook it in a mass amounts of onions to kill the flavor but ohh man i could not get over the chalky funky grainy mush.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
Can you grind the organ meat into ground beef or sausage?
I f'in love liver! My roommate, not so much :D
I love chicken & veal livers the most ... awesome pate'! Lots of onion, anchovies, capers, and you have a delicious pate, great for entertaining since nobody but you is gonna eat it yet you look good for making something fancy like that :fm:
I'm going to try that with heart in chili and experiment from there.Quote:
Originally Posted by hafilax
Hey Dan,
What's your youngster eating these days?
He's been eating pretty much whatever we eat for months now.
You mean kids don't need McDonald's and Pop Tarts? That's what everyone at my wife's work is saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dantheman
"Oh, you'll see." "He won't eat anything but {fill in the blank for shitty standard American diet food}"
If your house is full of sugary crap because you eat it all the time, of course your kid is going to throw a tantrum because he doesn't get to eat the same sugary crap you're eating. Kids aren't stupid. They don't buy that you can eat Cheetos and drink Coke but they can't.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trackhead
But if your house isn't full of sugary crap, your kid will eat whatever you've got, because he's HUNGRY. Kids need to eat a lot, and the proper response to an "I won't eat that, I want Pop Tarts" tantrum is "Fine, don't eat it...but we don't have any Pop Tarts, either."
How the fuck do they think people survived for millions of years, up to the modern era? "I want Pop Tarts!" "Sorry, son, they won't be invented for another 40,000 years."