Z... you live in boulder? we should ride sometime
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Z... you live in boulder? we should ride sometime
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so how do they ski compared to spatulas or a normal fat shapless ski?
F'real... Comparisons would be KILLERQuote:
Originally Posted by mntlion
mntlion...send some snow our way and i'll gladly do the comparison for you!Quote:
Originally Posted by mntlion
or, alternatively, if you've got snow maybe i should just ship spats & EHPs to you?? :)
i have a feeling it will be at least mid-january before i can report back with a meaningful spat-EHP-dp 120-dp 138 comparison.
your quiver is way too heavy on the powder ski side, if you want to sell either of the DPs, give me a holler;) , but seriously:DQuote:
Originally Posted by upallnight
Send me the EHP 193's and I will report back. It's raining here in Vancouver, but I understand that means good things at this little mole hill just north of town called Blackcomb :)
sure...how about $1,200 each. no pesky waiting list for you! ;-)Quote:
Originally Posted by soul_skier
OK. as long as you promise to return them in the exact condition they're in (which is, currently, undrilled).Quote:
Originally Posted by shirk
mebbe i'll get around to drilling them this weekend.
yea, I also volunteer my services to test out your EHPs ;)
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Originally Posted by upallnight
I have spats (alpine and had them for tele too) but looking for EHP. when you need to make a powder sacrafice sell the EHP to me ;)
and if anyone has a hookup on them PM me please......
mountain man (top of the page) has a pretty awesome avatar!
So people are still posting here/wanting a pair so I'll give a review on my first few days on em.
Me - 6'3, 180.
Recent skis - 190 FFLs, 193 big daddies
So first day was inbounds/out the gate at Loveland. Went out the gate to find perfect recyled pow on north faces in the trees. First impression, this shit isn't even fair. The top part before the trees was manky and wind affected and I didn't feel a thing. GS turns no problem. Once into the trees the pow got creamy and consistent. Holy shit. Dragging your hip in the snow gs turns through the trees. You gotta be kidding me. Trees start to tighten up and these things are easy to throw around. Tight trees are now fun again whereas they SUCKED on my ffls. No problem.
Now the inbounds test. First let me admit there are not a ton of people who enjoy hucking to hardpack as much as I do. Therefore, I demand that my skis are okay with it too. That's what intrigued me so much with EHPs, while I had absolutely no interest in spatulas. Inbounds turns were no problem, and I was actually able to make them hookup quite well on groomers. You NEED to find the sweet spot however. With so little sidecut to the tail it's not as easy as a big daddy to have the tail finish your turn. They like to skid, as you would imagine. They did suprisingly well on the hardpack up on the ridge, but obviously they are not a race ski. Took multiple 20-25 foot drops to hardpack and stomped them way too far forward. These things feel center mounted to me as my FFLs were mounted way back. I think I need to just work this out and get more days on hard snow with em....
Long story short- In pow, these things just dissappeared under my feet. Short turns in tight trees-no problem.
GS turns in open meadows-WHAT EHPS WERE MADE FOR.
Hardpack speed and huckin- Tips don't flap on hardpack and I haven't found the speed limit yet, but I need to figure out the centerpoint for popping off rocks and stomping landings. A ski like this probably wasn't meant for that, but I just need to find the sweet spot so I can ski em everyday....
^^^ thanks for that, Z.
do you feel like the mounting point is right and that it's more a matter of you adapting to the ski, or would you mount a bit further back?
your review made me even more psyched to get mine on snow. (soon.....)
I really can't tell yet UAN. In pow they feel PERFECT. On hardpack they feel a bit forward. However, I contribute this to the fact that I had my FFLs mounted VERY far back and have gotten used to that. I generally like to mount skis farther back and stay forward on them, but I dunno. Honestly, I can't tell yet. Need more time...Quote:
Originally Posted by upallnight
Sounds like an interesting ski would love to get my hands on emm. :D
This made me laughQuote:
Originally Posted by Z
and my feet hurt
Nice review Z...I still need to fondle these.
I fondled mine last night. Much better finish than I expected. Also looked like the mounting point was off from ski to ski. But when I measured it, it is just an optical illusion. But now the real question..... which one is left and right. If you put them on one way the trees match up. If you put them on the other way the bottom of the "f" lines up. Things like this are important to telewhackers cuz we have to have a right and left ski :D
so long as the pointy end is forward, i think itll be ok ;)
But both ends curve up and both are kind of "blocky". Is there an arrow or something to tell me which end is up :biggrin:Quote:
Originally Posted by pechelman
BTW looking at Z's review, one of the things I noticed on them last year was how short they feel at first, which could explain the "forward mount feeling". I think the reason is because the effective edge is so short. These things have a really long shovel and then the last couple of inches is just ramped. So when you arent in soft snow, they definitely feel short.
when we held Z's up to my 120's, it looked like the same mount of shovel, and the came contact length in the tail, with the extra length really coming from that long "rockered" tail.
If that is the case, how did the mounting point compare? I would think if all the extra length is in the tail, the mounting points "should" be a similiar length from the front of the ski.Quote:
Originally Posted by marshalolson
basically the same boot center lineQuote:
Originally Posted by Professor
I figured it would be close. BTW these things say they need a 3.5mm drill bit. Is there no metal in there? I would think there has to be some and if so, isnt a 4.1 drill bit more appropriate?
i was under the impression that they are free of metalQuote:
Originally Posted by Professor