50 years to the day

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Originally Posted by mcski

No, you can speculate but you do not know what happened to her. She might have been raped, dragged in the mud, or shit her pants. We don’t know

And there are plenty of sites like the old orgrish or livelink still around that don’t remove anything. So my bs meter is on high w these reports of mass gang rapes, etc. Its a full war zone so very plausible it’s happening but given the amount of stuff out there showing kids getting slaughtered I find it a little suspect that the other stuff is not uploaded as well.

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Wow. If you seriously can't tell what happened to her, then you are being willfully blind. That is CLEARLY blood, emanating from her area. And yes, I saw many of the brutally violent videos before they were removed. People aren't just making this up.

The stories aren't merely "plausible," they are very real. Did you need to be there in person, witnessing them first hand to finally believe? Well, you'd be dead, but at least you'd realize it was true.

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Originally Posted by dunfree

Do you want a fucking video of someone being raped?

If you get a survivor and they say “people were being gang raped and shot” you see”260 bodies found” you see a picture a bunch of bodies, and a video of a woman in her underwear that looked like she’d been ther being groped, “gang rape” isn’t a unfair supposition

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SERIOUSLY! FFS!!!! WTF is wrong with some people? It ain't often you and I are on the same side of an argument, but here we are. That's when you KNOW something's truly bad.

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Originally Posted by MontuckyFried

SERIOUSLY! FFS!!!! WTF is wrong with some people? It ain't often you and I are on the same side of an argument, but here we are. That's when you KNOW something's truly bad.

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Even more strange is I'm with you two too.*shudder*

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Originally Posted by dunfree

Do you want a fucking video of someone being raped?

If you get a survivor and they say “people were being gang raped and shot” you see”260 bodies found” you see a picture a bunch of bodies, and a video of a woman in her underwear that looked like she’d been ther being groped, “gang rape” isn’t a unfair supposition

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There’s enough horrific shit posted so, ya pics or it’s just unnecessary shock propaganda. I don’t buy the “it’s been removed argument”. There’s plenty of sites that don’t remove anything yet…

In the scheme of things , it doesn’t really matter. It’s all a fucked up mess over there

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Originally Posted by garyfromterrace

I heard some of Joe's speech and couldn't help think of what would have come out of Donnie's yap in the same circumstances.
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Saw Trump on the news condemning Hummus.

I thought he was a fan of chickpea

it plays into the propaganda to watch or share, they publish this shit for a reason.

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Originally Posted by mcski

No, you can speculate but you do not know what happened to her. She might have been raped, dragged in the mud, or shit her pants. We don’t know

And there are plenty of sites like the old orgrish or livelink still around that don’t remove anything. So my bs meter is on high w these reports of mass gang rapes, etc. Its a full war zone so very plausible it’s happening but given the amount of stuff out there showing kids getting slaughtered I find it a little suspect that the other stuff is not uploaded as well.

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Fuck off man

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Originally Posted by dunfree

nah, it’s just fucking terrorism. And the rest of the horrible shit happening is just sociopathy, was there much more of a plan than rape, loot, and brutally slaughter once you cross the wall?

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Probably to provoke the Israeli extreme overreaction we've seen since. Maybe Hamas wanted a PR campaign. Israel's doing a great job recruiting new terrorists and it's likely a solid fundraising drive as well. MSM may not cover what they've been doing in Gaza since Saturday. However, you can bet every Arab and Muslim with the slightest interest in news or politics has gory video of Israel's brutal attacks against civilians at the top of every feed. And it's not a one and done, but new crimes and atrocities every hour. Israel is running a hearts and minds campaign to recruit more terrorists. A lot more.

Hamas is the vast vast military underdog (same politically and economically). So, they're using IRA tactics (insurgent tactics). Maybe it's time Israel use the British strategy that ended that conflict.

Or Israel can use the strategy America used against its indigenous. We claim to be civilized. Most civilized countries have a genocide in their history, so it's equally justified for Israel to choose that path to peace. (right? Well, it's a fair argument anyway)

Seems like the options for lasting peace are negotiate or genocide. Commit a bunch of atrocities short of genocide will just prolong the fighting until a future generation chooses one of the options to peace. I'm for negotiate. With terrorists. Because I condemn violence. (and genocide). If I missed an option, I'm open to hearing it.

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Originally Posted by LongShortLong

Probably to provoke the Israeli extreme overreaction we've seen since. Maybe Hamas wanted a PR campaign. Israel's doing a great job recruiting new terrorists and it's likely a solid fundraising drive as well. MSM may not cover what they've been doing in Gaza since Saturday. However, you can bet every Arab and Muslim with the slightest interest in news or politics has gory video of Israel's brutal attacks against civilians at the top of every feed. And it's not a one and done, but new crimes and atrocities every hour. Israel is running a hearts and minds campaign to recruit more terrorists. A lot more.

Hamas is the vast vast military underdog (same politically and economically). So, they're using IRA tactics (insurgent tactics). Maybe it's time Israel use the British strategy that ended that conflict.

Or Israel can use the strategy America used against its indigenous. We claim to be civilized. Most civilized countries have a genocide in their history, so it's equally justified for Israel to choose that path to peace. (right? Well, it's a fair argument anyway)

Seems like the options for lasting peace are negotiate or genocide. Commit a bunch of atrocities short of genocide will just prolong the fighting until a future generation chooses one of the options to peace. I'm for negotiate. With terrorists. Because I condemn violence. (and genocide). If I missed an option, I'm open to hearing it.

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Wait….

The IRA gang raped civilian women, children and grandparents and then paraded mutilated bodies around while cheering?

Fuck off too

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Originally Posted by ghosthop

my wife told me last night that the median age in Gaza is 18. It's hard to imagine a scenario where the Palestinian children that make it through this don't end up in some sort of re-education.

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Israel is re-educating them as we speak. Fear is a powerful motivator. And the history of oppression and poverty has them primed to learn their lessons.

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Originally Posted by LongShortLong

Hamas is the vast vast military underdog (same politically and economically). So, they're using IRA tactics (insurgent tactics).

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Hold up, wut?! Are you delusional?!

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Originally Posted by LHutz Esq

Saw Trump on the news condemning Hummus.

I thought he was a fan of chickpea

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i spit coffee on my screen

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Originally Posted by MontuckyFried

Hold up, wut?! Are you delusional?!

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The underdog part, sure. The IRA tactics? Well, I guess they were both terror tactics but Hamas is operating on a whole different level.

And Hamas’s stated goals are quite different than what the IRA was fighting for.

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Originally Posted by LongShortLong

If I missed an option, I'm open to hearing it.

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Palestinians in Gaza could overthrow Hamas, act to secure a cease-fire, and win a seat at the table of ongoing Arab & Saudi peace talks with Israel. Hamas rules Gaza as a pure dictatorship:and Palestinians who prefer peace lose their lives if they fail to support violence against Israel. Hamas refuses elections.

Hamas are throwing an awful lot of real resources at useless symbolic gestures & violence. Despite the fact Gaza gets more international aid than just about anywhere else in the world, roughly double per capita the next major recipient, the Gaza Strip is one of the poorest regions in the world. People will rightly point to the Israeli blockade as the reason. If there wasn’t a blockade however, Hamas would place across from the border Iranian supplied artillery and missiles like Hezbollah does in Southern Lebanon.

If Gaza had a peaceful government, there would be no reason for a blockade, and no significant obstacle to economic growth. It could be a lovely place with 25 miles of beaches. If Palestinians focused on economic growth they could attract investment. If they focused on a good education they could increase Palestinian human capital which would be incredibly valuable with their young population in a demographically aging world.

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Originally Posted by LongShortLong

I'm for negotiate. With terrorists. Because I condemn violence. (and genocide). If I missed an option, I'm open to hearing it.

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Perhaps you didn't notice, but negotiations are not exactly possible with this particular group of asshats. They have quite clearly, loudly, and now demonstrated in full their intentions. I suggest you read this good piece from the Atlantic for further insight. Please. I implore you.

When Hamas Tells You Who They Are, Believe Them - A close read of Hamas’s founding documents shows their genocidal intentions
https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...nocide/675602/

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Originally Posted by The Atlantic

Nothing is negotiable
Article 13 rejects any kind of negotiations for, or peaceful resolution of, Jewish and Palestinian territorial claims to the land. On this point, the covenant is completely transparent: “There is no solution for the Palestinian question except through Jihad. Initiatives, proposals and international conferences are all a waste of time and vain endeavors.” Nor are these words historical artifacts. Hamas “military” communiqués heralding the triumphs of Operation Al-Aqsa Flood end with the words “It is a jihad of victory or martyrdom.”

Indeed, this part of the covenant stresses that: Initiatives, and so-called peaceful solutions and international conferences, are in contradiction to the principles of the Islamic Resistance Movement. Abusing any part of Palestine is abuse directed against part of religion. Nationalism of the Islamic Resistance Movement is part of its religion. Its members have been fed on that. For the sake of hoisting the banner of Allah over their homeland they fight.

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https://x.com/lastpositivist/status/...sR_NcRK2VkCfkg

infer? that is the case that they are making unapologetically.

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Originally Posted by ex-powderbroker

infer? that is the case that they are making unapologetically.

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Those aren’t the people he’s talking about.

Send the F35s and F16s. A few hundred JDAMs will solve everything! No need to understand your neighbor. Nor work with them to solve their problems. Continue the failed cycle of violence.

Cry again some time in the next ten years after the next terror attack. I'm tired of crying.

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Originally Posted by MultiVerse

Palestinians in Gaza could overthrow Hamas, act to secure a cease-fire, and win a seat at the table of ongoing Arab & Saudi peace talks with Israel. Hamas rules Gaza as a pure dictatorship:and Palestinians who prefer peace lose their lives if they fail to support violence against Israel. Hamas refuses elections.

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So, in light of the last two sentences above, just how would the Gazan civilians go about overthrowing Hamas, securing a ceasefire and winning a seat at the negotiating table?
Or is my sarcasm meter broken?

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Originally Posted by MultiVerse

Palestinians in Gaza could overthrow Hamas, act to secure a cease-fire, and win a seat at the table of ongoing Arab & Saudi peace talks with Israel. Hamas rules Gaza as a pure dictatorship:and Palestinians who prefer peace lose their lives if they fail to support violence against Israel. Hamas refuses elections.

Hamas are throwing an awful lot of real resources at useless symbolic gestures & violence. Despite the fact Gaza gets more international aid than just about anywhere else in the world, roughly double per capita the next major recipient, the Gaza Strip is one of the poorest regions in the world. People will rightly point to the Israeli blockade as the reason. If there wasn’t a blockade however, Hamas would place across from the border Iranian supplied artillery and missiles like Hezbollah does in Southern Lebanon.

If Gaza had a peaceful government, there would be no reason for a blockade, and no significant obstacle to economic growth. It could be a lovely place with 25 miles of beaches. If Palestinians focused on economic growth they could attract investment. If they focused on a good education they could increase Palestinian human capital which would be incredibly valuable with their young population in a demographically aging world.

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This isn't wrong. However, it's also not a justification for anything.

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Originally Posted by TBS

So, in light of the last two sentences above, just how would the Gazan civilians go about overthrowing Hamas, securing a ceasefire and winning a seat at the negotiating table?
Or is my sarcasm meter broken?

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The question was what alternatives are there to negotiations (with Hamas) or genocide. Hamas doesn’t have any interest in making peace with Israel. Hamas is dedicated to Islamic fundamentalism, and to Israel’s destruction. If Palestinians in Gaza want peace they have to do something about Hamas. The Israeli ground campaign in Gaza could weaken Hamas’s control of the population. Israel might also be able to lessen Hamas’s influence if other Palestinians rise up to administer the Gaza Strip.

I think a full scale ground invasion is a bad idea but since it looks Israel is going to go ahead anyway they need a strategy for dealing with Hamas if they don't want to govern Gaza under occupation themselves. (They shouldn't, and they don't want to)

It’s so simple even a caveman could do it

Very few mentions of Egypt in this recent news cycle. Thank you, Jimmy Carter.

Most recent that I can find:

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle...ls-2023-10-10/

This was just a giant, savage pogrom. There shouldn’t be any confusion about that. And this thread should go to polyass