WHERE IS BUSH?!

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I work near an Air National Guard/Navy Reserve Air base. Today I was talking with one of the Gurdmen there, and he was wondering why he wasn't deployed to NOLA to help out. Every day I see C-130's (huge fucking cargo planes) flying in and out of the place. I'm sure if the local news outlets announced that the Red Cross or Salvation Army or whatever was trying to send a plane of supplies to the Delta, people would have it filled in six hours.

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it's on the way...

I may get to be a part of this. I'm not scheduled to fly again for another week or two, but my training flights might actually have a real-world use. That'd be neat.
I'm sure, with the scope of this and how long this is going to take, I'll have the opportunity to work on this way more when I get done with training and go back home to my base in washington.

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Local Air Force Crew Whisks New Orleans Residents To Safety

link to original article from KOMO 4 news, Seattle

September 2, 2005

By Keith Eldridge

A giant C-17 from McChord Air Force Base was sent to New Orleans to help evacuate residents stranded in the flooded city.
NEW ORLEANS - It was just after midnight Friday morning and McChord Air Force base south of Tacoma bustled as airmen prepared a C-17 transport plane for an evacuation flight to New Orleans.

After a brief stop in Charleston, South Carolina for water and supplies, the huge jet landed at New Orleans International Airport as the first of a wave of flights that will help get people out off the flooded city.

The flood victims here say seeing this military C-17 fly in was literally a gift from above. The massive cargo plane was brought in to evacuate hundreds of people from the turmoil left behind by Hurricane Katrina when it became obvious that efforts on the ground were moving too slow.

"Going back to check on my house instead of getting out to the hotel where I was supposed to be at. That's how I got stuck," said Alberton Triana as he sat on the plane with a smile on his face.

After loading the aircraft full of people who escaped the chaotic streets of the Big Easy, the transport lifted off for Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Texas where thousands of evacuees will be temporarily sheltered.

The passengers don't know exactly what awaits them in Texas, but say anything is better than the desperation they were still experiencing just a few minutes before boarding the plane.

"So grateful I'm alive. With your life, you can start all over again," said Gregory Thompson as he relaxed during the flight. "I'm going back to New Orleans, you can count on that. New Orleans is going to be bigger, better and greater. I have no doubt."

For the McChord crew, the flight was a welcome change from flying into the war zones in Iraq and Afghanistan every day.

"This is the reason why we got in, is to help people... to protect your country. And this is the definition of it right now," Captain Matthew Crockett. "There's a lot of needy people down there that need our help and we're just ready and willing to go help them out."

Captain Alex Pelbath echoed the sentiments of his crewmate. "For what we do most of the time, spending all our time overseas in the Middle East, it's really good to be doing something stateside and helping our own people," he said.

While images of looting and angry New Orleans residents are burned into the minds of people across the country this week, the flight to San Antonio offered a stark contrast to the chaos it left behind.

The weary evacuees boarded the aircraft with polite words of thanks to the airmen from McChord and expressed happiness at simply being alive.

Shortly after unloading the 150-plus passengers, the airmen fueled up their giant C-17 and flew back to New Orleans to begin the process again.

nesta you'd do well to listen to your countryman and keep your "I told you so's" to yourself. We have no use for your shit, JONG

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Originally Posted by PacRimRider1

He's also doing a great job of keeping Geraldo from having an aneurism.

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No effin kiddin. Geraldo is a dramatic tard... he may be right but soon he is going to be right and under arrest for inciting to riot. Holy shit!

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JumperBones. Get it done mang! We are all behind ya.

I wish I could go volunteer there.

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From military.com
"DHS WTF?"

Good read. They are pissed.

BLurred elevens, you have got to be the dumbest mother fucker I have ever met. How can you say that looters are "helping" with the evacuation. Seriously all the are doing is wasting the police and nat'l guards time by arresting them for what they are doing. You are seriously an idiot. Give me some logic on that opinion of yours beause I have never heard taht dumb of an opinion. Sure, they're helping the evac whatever you say dumb ass. FUCK again, you are an idiot

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Originally Posted by mtbakerskier

They have guns, why cant they use them? Remeber there part of the armed forces. It's bullshit that they cant do there jobs due to small arms fire. Would gun shots prevent a rescue chopper in Iraq? did it prevents rescues in Vietnam? SO WHY THE FUCK CANT WE RESCUE OUR OWN CIVILIANS!

FUCK YOU BUSH! I hope one of those peeps in NO finds there target.

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Not that I don't agree with you. But let me ask you something. Do you want the guardsman that had to shoot and kill a person there in self defense to get a leathal injection or the electric chair?

The reason I ask this is because unfortuately the politics of the situation has caused a no win situation for the people that need help.

When you are a soldier, sailor, airman, Marine, or guardsman pulling the trigger on your own has some serious fucked up ramifications. Can you imagine the trial if one did pull the trigger and killed a refugee. No matter if the guy was being shot at or not. The media would ask for his head on a platter.

Politics made this disaster a gigantic clusterfuck. Bush is an idiot. Frankly he should excuse himself from the disaster relief effort because of his oil interests. New Orleans, Miss, are major oil ports. The longer it takes to get that area functioning the more money he makes off of his oil stocks.

A person posted earlier about "they are getting shot at. that is why they aren't going in". I call that cowardous if they don't go in and they should step the hell up. "Sure you are getting shot at. But there are AMERICANS that need our help in there now goddammit. Be eyes open always. Safety fire protocols. Some guy on a tricycle with a loaded winchester comes up then shoot him. Let's go help our fellow AMERICANS.

That's what should be done. Fuck politics. Politics is what is getting way to many Americans hurt needlessly. IMHO

Kanye West chimes in live on NBC/MSNBC:

http://media.putfile.com/Kanye79

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Originally Posted by gramboh

Kanye West chimes in live on NBC/MSNBC:

http://media.putfile.com/Kanye79

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I always had Kanye pinned as a frat boy rapper, but he stepped to the plate, put it all out there and told the truth.

I too believe Bush doesn't care about black people. In fact I think the douchebag just renewed his card with the clan.

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Originally Posted by gramboh

Kanye West chimes in live on NBC/MSNBC:

http://media.putfile.com/Kanye79

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thanks for the link - heard about it but hadn't seen it.

What a stammering deer in the headlights no talent ass clown.

Way to stay on message (the fundraising message, that is).
What a pathetic attempt by a suburban punk to out-Black all the other Black folks on stage that night.


P.S. - I found a nice transcript of the event here:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...090300165.html

Kanye says "And, you know, it's been five days [waiting for federal help] because most of the people are black. And even for me to complain about it, I would be a hypocrite because I've tried to turn away from the TV because it's too hard to watch. I've even been shopping before even giving a donation, so now I'm calling my business manager right now to see what is the biggest amount I can give, and just to imagine if I was down there, and those are my people down there"


P.P.S. - I too believe Blurred doesn't care about black people because he voted for the Klan card carrying Bush, and because he continues to use the N word and act like a playa even though he's a cracker honkey.

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For the first time ever, I find myself respecting Bill O'reilly. Hear me out. He's taking phone calls and video feeds from the reporters in the field, finding out where they are, and communicating this with the military. I've been news mongering for the past few days and this is the first time anything of this nature has been done by the media. He's also doing a great job of keeping Geraldo from having an aneurism.[/QUOTE]


Geraldo! Cheese & Rice!! What a fucking flake! :mad:

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P.P.S. - I too believe Blurred doesn't care about black people because he voted for the Klan card carrying Bush, and because he continues to use the N word and act like a playa even though he's a cracker honkey.

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Are you sure he's not a quadroon? octaroon? Send me a pic and I'll let you know.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...secret/famous/

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wtf point does this serve?

http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor...lpc21109012015

apparently there were quite a few buses not being used. additionally there were over 360 NORTA buses available. Bush warned both the governor and mayor of New Orleans. He even got the ball rolling for disaster relief before the hurricane hit. in fact when it was a cat 1 that hit land fall in Florida, Bush started the process of declaring areas of the gulf coast disaster areas. what has happened since then has been a combination of ineptitude, but it does not begin and end with the federal government.

Reading this story unfold over here in Europe is sad.

Theres some threads on the subject from a Euro perspective
http://www.snowheads.com/ski-forum/viewtopic.php?t=8291

& also on Epic

http://forums.epicski.com/showthread.php?t=28983

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wtf point does this serve?

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comic relief

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Originally Posted by Core Shot

thanks for the link - heard about it but hadn't seen it.

What a stammering deer in the headlights no talent ass clown.

Way to stay on message (the fundraising message, that is).
What a pathetic attempt by a suburban punk to out-Black all the other Black folks on stage that night.

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Kanye wasn't trying to "out-black" anyone. Maybe if you were black you'd feel differently. I may not be black, but I've spent enough time around the black culture to know that he is telling it on behalf of most black people. You really think if those were white conservative voters that voted for Bush, that he would have waited until Friday to go there and laugh about the situation?
The stupid fucker was on TV saying how he'd been in hurricanes growing up, and how NO would be built better and stronger.....All this while people were dying in the city behind him while he was laughing and joking.......

How about listening to the Mayors request Mr. Bush.

http://story.heraldglobe.com/p.x/ct/...de8e630faf3631

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P.P.S. - I too believe Blurred doesn't care about black people because he voted for the Klan card carrying Bush, and because he continues to use the N word and act like a playa even though he's a cracker honkey.

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I used the "N" word in a demonstration of our governments obvious dislike for black people.

Here's my quote:

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I'd go down there and spend my labor day weekend pulling people out of their houses if the stupid fucking government wouldn't turn me away, but they ARE, and that's what pisses me off the most. It's the whole mentality of the government-"If we let civilians help us, it will make our military/government look incompetent and weak, and we can't have that so.....all those poor niggers can die....fuck'em"

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Taking it out of context to try and flame me is poor form dude.
Your comments about Kanye lead me to believe you're one of those white people who pretends to not be racist, but is revealed through your actions and your transparent attempt to shield your true feelings. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

It's starting to freak me out but once again I agree with Brett. Anyone who doesn't understand that there is a large component of racism in the horrendous Federal response has their head in the sand.

Kanye was telling the truth and NBC pulled the plug because he wasn't staying "on (their) message".

It's pretty hilarious that these people call themselves "Christians". As someone else said, I can't wait for the Rapture, get these assclowns out of here.

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Kanye wasn't trying to "out-black" anyone.

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Taking it out of context to try and flame me is poor form dude.
Your comments about Kanye lead me to believe you're one of those white people who pretends to not be racist, but is revealed through your actions and your transparent attempt to shield your true feelings. I could be wrong, but I doubt it.

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First, there were lots of black folks on the telethon and no on else bothered to deviate from the script and say the President hates Black folks. that's what I meant.
In addition, how can it be true when you have Colin Powell, Condi Rice, and many other executive and judicial appointments. Oh wait, I forgot, none of those folks are black since "Black" really means the culture of inner city liberal political persuasion.
If you (or Kanye) said something intelligent like "Bush hates poor people" or "Bush hates poor liberal Democrats" I would be more likely to agree.

Second, re-opening this matter after asking me in a pm to delete the picture of you and your lilly-white complection and your "good hair", is also bad form.
the particular quote you mention is not the one - this is what pissed me off:
http://tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php?t=34474

Please don't claim your black if you are not. Not only do I find it offensive, I think it really does a dis-service to any real Black folks that participate here.
No matter how much you study Black culture and music and hang with Black folks, you aren't Black so don't say you are.

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Originally Posted by bad_roo

It's about time they made bearing arms NOT A FUCKING RIGHT.

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It's only a right in the context of a well regulated militia, which clearly doesn't apply to all the armed people down there. The Supreme Court has ruled (and upheld numerous times) that there is no individual right to bear arms--all gun control would be unconstitutional, otherwise.
It's been time to get rid of all the guns for at least 100 years, but NRA screwballs make this impossible.

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Originally Posted by bklyntrayc

Are you sure he's not a quadroon? octaroon? Send me a pic and I'll let you know.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontl...secret/famous/

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Ha, I think you should brush up on your phrenology instead. Maybe you could figure out what's wrong with him.

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Originally Posted by nesta

Wow do I sense some pentup anger or what. You made your first post just to blast a fellow Canuck? How unpatriotic of you. Screw you too Jack!

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it sickens me as an American living in Canada to see 1st hand how small minded and ignorant the average Canadian is. they are using this disaster to take pot shots at American politics. I almost lost it in the hardware store yesterday listening to some dumb canucks go on about how Americans got what they deserved by electing Bush. I see on a daily basis Canadians quick to tell you what they are against, but never have much to offer about what they stand for.

I hope people here who can afford it have sacked up and given some bread. Otherwise, you're doing nothing here to help. This is so fucked. Almost 30% of NO is below the poverty line (about 120K people). The folks below the poverty line are likely on some sort of welfare and Katrina came 3 days before the first of the month. W/ nothing in the bank they have little or no ability to help themselves - - completely dependent on others. FUCK - - scary shit. This will get much more difficult b/4 it gets easier. Sleeping on cots in the Astrodome w/ food and water is a great right now and awesome if we can do that for everyone, but WTF happens after 2 weeks? Unfortunately, no one is/was prepared to accomodate the level of response needed to this disaster. I'm not so sure anyone can actually comprehend the disaster's extent. I guess I'll drop another C note.

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it sickens me as an American living in Canada to see 1st hand how small minded and ignorant the average Canadian is. they are using this disaster to take pot shots at American politics. I almost lost it in the hardware store yesterday listening to some dumb canucks go on about how Americans got what they deserved by electing Bush. I see on a daily basis Canadians quick to tell you what they are against, but never have much to offer about what they stand for.

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Unfortunately there are a lot of Canadians who would rather get holier-than-thou with the United States than deal with the political rot in this country. Even more unfortunately, these attitude are often tacitly encouraged by politicians looking to score quick points or provide a distraction from their latest scandal or fuck-up.

We'll get it sorted out. It's just going to take a while. In the meantime, just know that we're not all like that.

Maybe something good can come about this whole disaster like maybe America starts to realize that we need to focus on our own people who need and want help instead being in every other countries shit all the time. Maybe we'll see that instead of sinking ungodly amounts of money into a WMD witch hunt in Iraq we should be using a fraction of that money to help stave off natural disasters like this which kill and ruin more lives than terrorism ever will in our own country each year. Why then is our president such a greedy war monger?

Oh and maybe if we took some of that money we are sinking into our wars and invested in R&D of alternative fuels, then we wouldn't have to listen to people bitch about the high cost of gas when disasters happen. And maybe our own economy wouldn't suffer the way it will when people can't afford to take their vacations and go spend their money because they had to pay so much for gas just to get to work. A country with a better economy should be better poised to fund emergency relief for disasters like this right?

I just hope that we can #1 Learn from the entire mess to help prevent and recover the next time we have disasters like this, which will happen again to some extent. #2 Use this as a wake up call that our government has some serious problems and maybe with so many peoples lives getting so fucked up, maybe we will be more motivated to change things and try and remove the rich and greedy cocksuckers from power who have no idea what the average American deals with every day.

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Unfortunately there are a lot of Canadians who would rather get holier-than-thou with the United States than deal with the political rot in this country. Even more unfortunately, these attitude are often tacitly encouraged by politicians looking to score quick points or provide a distraction from their latest scandal or fuck-up.

We'll get it sorted out. It's just going to take a while. In the meantime, just know that we're not all like that.

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my wife and most people we associate with are rational thinking human beings. its always funny to have some joker American bash and watch them backpeddle when I tell them Im American. thats the fun and games you get living abroad, but watching the canadian news coverage of this event and hearing what appears to be a common reaction amongst Canadians is making me ill.

Isolationism, Steezus, how very retro of you.

I'm reading an alternative history where Lindbergh gets elected in 1940 rather than Roosevelt. taking care of ourselves doesn't really worked out so well for the rest of the world, but more importantly it doesn't really work out so well for us.