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She tied for 5th place against Lia. It’s not like without the trans woman she would be winning. Hardly going to make a career out of swimming. She is however making good money as a public speaker. Wouldn’t really say she’s suffering when she’s turned it into a career.Quote:
Originally Posted by summit
I did a regional bike race in Big Sky a while back where a transwoman showed up and entered the pro class. This was before the whole trans people in athletics discussion had really gathered steam. I (a male) had actually raced against the transwoman a couple years earlier when they were male. The race had the usual assortment of pro women from the area, some of whom were reasonably competitive on a national level, had sponsorships, etc. The transwoman mopped the floor with them. Beat them by a massive margin, and would have placed maybe 4th or 5th in pro men.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunion 2020
Nobody made a scene out of it or anything, but it was pretty obvious that the pro women thought the result was non-optimal. I think everyone recognized the difficulty of the situation, and no one wanted to deny the transwoman the right to race. And there weren't any hard feelings against the transwoman - it seemed obvious to me that she/they weren't trying to game the system. They were just a person who used to enjoy racing bikes as a male, and now still enjoyed racing bikes after their transition.
Seems like a good example where women's categories should be for biological women, and men's categories should be open.
If you follow Idaho politics, and who wouldn't, it's better than The Onion, you may have noticed an underaged CIS woman who sued the state of Idaho for their trans ban in sports. She was listed as Jane Doe in the lawsuit due to her age at the time. She sued to block the bill as she saw problems with the verification process. In conversations with her, she also said that those people need to be included, they're rare, and it may break her heart to lose to one, she'd just have to work harder to beat them next time. She is now a D2 soccer player and will enter med school after her undergrad. Her parents are good friends of mine and I've known this young woman since she was little. Strong, smart, articulate and convicted. In conversations with her, I have changed my perspective somewhat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trackhead
https://www.ktvb.com/article/news/lo...5-4c8fe7bd781c
They are out there.
Name a subject where people can express an opinion without being viciously attacked. Or where one where most people who express opinions don't take one extreme position or the other.Quote:
Originally Posted by Trackhead
That would probably be a good solution.Quote:
Originally Posted by TBS
That girl trained 2x per day, 6 days a week, 11 1/2 months yr., pushing 10 miles a day, fucking swimming, her whole life. And 5th place at d1 probably put her to 20 in world. If not top 10.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flounder
No one who has not trained like that deserves an opinion on any of this.
Because to try and explain what that kind of dedication to the purple haired mafia would fall on fat, dumb, deaf ears.
On the internet or social media, zero. I guess it’s the world we live in. In person it’s usually much more challenging to be an overt asshole for most people. Put everyone in this thread in the same room with a few pitchers of beer, I bet it would look vastly different than this forum.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
So she should STFU right? Having opinions about sharing a changing room with a biologically intact male is only allowed if you are on the podium, right? Or when are females allowed to have an opinion again, sir?Quote:
Originally Posted by Flounder
This is a perfect example of minimizing the opinions of females in this discussion.
https://youtu.be/wxDaiyREBPw
Has this made it into this thread yet?
You are just as entitled to an opinion as anyone including Riley Gaines. But she has been all over the media with this cause and to me it feels like a bit of a scam.Quote:
Originally Posted by summit
If it was good enough for KC and the Sunshine Man, it's good enough for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Core Shot
As IF there could be some sort of harmony between the beer drinking factions?Quote:
Originally Posted by Trackhead
I'm all for harmony but still going all in on Taste Great, with a double down and a big Fuck You! to those woke Less Filling mofos.
I’ve wondered the same, but we didn’t live her experience so who are we to know?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunion 2020
Just my opinion, man. ;)
Opinions are like vaginas, everybody’s got one;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunion 2020
No she’s free to spread her message as much as she wants. It pays a whole lot better than swimming does. It’s easy money these days selling indignation. She should cash in while she can. She could have just been a vocal advocate for the sport but she chose to make it a business. Of course with that comes criticism and questions about her motives.Quote:
Originally Posted by summit
https://www.athletespeakers.com/speaker/riley-gaines
Correction: she tied Lia for fifth place (in the 200 freestyle).Quote:
Originally Posted by Flounder
[Lia Thomas did win an event, though, the 500 free]
It is pretty fucked up that lia( w a dick and likes girls) is changing w the women's swim team.
Who here has young daughters and is fine w bio males changing w them?
Oh yeah, now we're really getting to the heart of the trans-panic.Quote:
Originally Posted by byates1
Yes, thanks for clarifying my badly worded post. I know Cono is all worked up about the amount of hours she trained but she still lost to 4 biological women. I’m guessing all, including Lia, have dedicated the similar amounts of time training.Quote:
Originally Posted by The AD
No panic here, the 99% of girls in the girls locker room have a right to feel comfortable. The one dude who wants to change w them can use the family room.
I just spit water out my nose in Dr waiting roomQuote:
Originally Posted by Trackhead
Well played
FIFYQuote:
Originally Posted by Trackhead
That’s fucking ridiculous. The problem with sandy opinions now, is that everyone’s sticking their noses in other people business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flounder
The swimming culture is unique. We wear next to nothing all day long, around the opposite sex. So I could give a shit about locker room talk. Stealing someone’s glory, when they e worked harder than you, and I’d guarantee Riley worked a lot harder that the dude, is fucking bullshit. Give the dude his own lane, let him pick his team, but the times don’t count. Never will. It’s so ridiculous that’s not enough. You’re generally only racing yourself In Swimming.
The difference between 400th In the nation, and 5th, is a lot.