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I don't know if the cost of ownership is lower in Europe and so as the miles stack up, the work can be done cheaply. That's the only issue stateside, the cars are expensive to fix. But the driving experience is much different. I haven't driven an american saloon or estate that drives a nicely as my R did. Some american cars can turn, but they tend to be coupe's and don't lend themselves to multiple people riding in the car.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flea
I'm sure they drive and handle nicely, but being more of a function vs fashion/status/me too car guy, my old 1995 Honda Accord 5 speed front wheel drive wagon with studless snows was an amazing car all the way around. The Flex, for how big it is has plenty of power, handles well, and with snows (I chose the front wheel drive model) it's an absolute unstoppable tank in the winter. Great ground clearance too.
I have owned 4 Volvos; if my V70R had been anywhere near as reliable as my old 850 turbo wagon I would have driven it into the ground. I loved the appearance and performance of the R, but I am so damn happy it belongs to someone else now.
And the new R-Design. Lots of Volvo porn hit the web today. Weird.
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...wjiz25vd1z.jpg
I'd like to see if they Polestar this bitch.
Seeing the words pole and bitch in the same sentence conjured-up other images often found in the Padded Room.Quote:
Originally Posted by BmillsSkier
Really don't care how fast it goes, I will never equate Volvo with performance in my head. Guess that's born of years driving my 82 240. Doesn't really matter, I'm attracted to them for other reasons (safety).Quote:
Originally Posted by BmillsSkier
That volvo looks righteous
although this looks perfect for dropping the kids off at school
http://95octane.com/wp-content/uploa...ubway250_1.jpg
So that's some kind of hyper-modified Sienna? Awesome.
Sienna Swagger Wagon
https://youtu.be/pUG3Z8Hxa5I
Sorry to hear those stories, as knocking on wood, my R with a 165k on her has been what I would consider pretty problem free. Yes the angle gear needed to be replaced at 110k and was $$$ and there was an AC condenser and one rear bearing that crapped out too, but for the most part just normal maintenance, which is a hella lot cheaper than a car payment.Quote:
Originally Posted by InspectorGadget
I have seen that photo before and thought it was pretty sic. Not a fan of that vintage, so I wonder if you could do the same to the newer XC 70? Should be easy enough right? But where do I find that paint jobQuote:
Originally Posted by BmillsSkier
One of the highlights of the R was the brembo's. The R design volvo's since have not had those. They were FANTASTIC and I think the car would have been much less w/out them. The brakes on the car above seem neutered in comparison...Quote:
Originally Posted by BmillsSkier
Let's just say if I had really done my homework before I bought the car, I never would have brought it home. Reading the Volvo R page on Facebook post-purchase was an eye opener. And a downer. I love the passion of many of the owners, but I can't stand being nickeled-and-dimed. My fingers are crossed for you and all other R owners.Quote:
Originally Posted by liv2ski
Sorry, enough grousing. Time to move on.
AWD 6MT eurowagen driven TGR:
http://jalopnik.com/the-2017-volkswa...fig-1786717972
https://i.kinja-img.com/gawker-media...ovzkgqgpkl.jpg
^^^^^Yep and close to $30k for a nice one as V Dub is feeling the pressure to sell cars. If I didn't love the horse power of the R, that would be my next car.
Edit: shit and speaking of horsepower, this sounds bitchin. A Diesel / Electric Hybrid: http://jalopnik.com/5975690/vw-cross...-out-of-a-golf
I traded the R for a Jetta 1.4 last month. The R was pretty reliable, then the AC, starter, and throttle body all went in a month. I miss it, but the Jetta is nice for a $15k car. CarPlay head unit and way better acceleration and mileage than the old 2.0 motor I had years ago in the GTI. If I set the cruise for 60, I can get over 40MPG on pump gas.
Now the Odyssey is dying, so that will need to get replaced soon, preferably before ski season.
The base Alltrak with a 6spd stick will be about $25.5k with leather, CarPlay, etc. That's really tempting. The current XC70 is a really nice family wagon ride, but mileage is pretty low with the T5 or T6. The V90 CC will be super nice I imagine, but that will *not* be a cheap ride. Same goes for the XC90, although there are lease deals for $399/mo out there now.
I'm thinking either Alltrak S or used 4Runner. 4Runner is like #3 in the list of cars that are still on the road after 200k. And I really would like a car that I can take on the beach, or just beastmode through the snow when the town plows us in, and not rip stuff off the bottom.
My Outback was great for just not really giving a shit, but wasn't the best place to spend a few hours. The Volvo sure was.
Your replacing a Honda Odyssey? Do you need the interior space?
Alltrack/Sportwagen is 30.4 cubic feet behind the rear seat. New Outback is 35.5 and the old Outbacks like my 02 were 31.5 or so iirc. I think our 03 4R must be upper thirties or so...huge. I think the Forester is more similar in size to the V dub and supposedly also available in a six speed for 2017 although searching numerous dealerships inventory has turned up zero 2017 Forester 6 speed manuals. Manual Alltrack hitting showrooms after the holidays sometime. Fuck VW though for being the one piece of shit company left on planet earth making the car I really want.
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/09/16/2...ck-first-drive
My 2004 Jetta wagon 1.8T is hanging in there. Replaced the AC recently and now the main cooling fan motor just took a shit this year but 175K miles so its been around.
Jesus H Christ dude that jalopnik was from 2013.Quote:
Originally Posted by liv2ski
The Odyssey space is nice to have, but we rarely use it. I usually was in the R by myself, except for taking the kids to daycare or preschool. The Jetta has 3in more legroom than the R did, but the trunk in the R was huge. The positives to #vanlife is the kids get more space = less fighting, and I can put all our bikes in the back of the Odyssey standing up with no rack.
Had the R for eight years and got fewer tickets than with the Outback. Nobody looks twice at the dadwagon.
I spent a little time yesterday in an 2017 outback belonging to a friend. As an adult sized passenger in the back, it felt roomie. Subi gave it to them with 5yr 0% financing.
Mini Cooper Clubman All4 Manual Transmission. December. http://www.motoringfile.com/2016/09/...i-clubman-jcw/
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I hope you don't get into an accident and she is crushed by the wood.Quote:
Originally Posted by Flea