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DIY options for external 3d scanning has been available for awhile, someone should be able to figure out a way to translate it to internal.
As a corollary, does this mean sizing down from the Titan to get a similar internal length, then?Quote:
Originally Posted by marshalolson
try before buy. its defiantly NOT 1cm smaller (i.e. 1 size).
How much stiffer is this than the Mercury? Because the Mercury is facking stiff.
Input from Dynafit people here, Disclaimer: turn on paid advertisement marketing filterQuote:
Originally Posted by XavierD
http://freeskier.com/stories/company...d-of-the-curve
Has me wondering whether the mercury has a more progressive flex than the vulcan?
Hoji insinuates that he's riding them
And if true, N. America being Dynafit's most strategically important subsidiary (whatever that means...the same way a nuclear warhead (Hoji) is important to the air force?), is a surprise and a change of tune.Quote:
“Since I got the Mercury boot in early summer, I have pages of feedback. But coming straight out of box, it’s the best all- around ski boot the world has ever seen.”
If I was going to ski the Mercury (which I won't, it don't fit) I would probably ski it without the tongue. It is still plenty stiff, and has a more progressive flex. Plus it is one less obnoxious piece of plastic. That boot has more parts than a Lego set.
Getting fitted in to the Mercury tommorrow. Should have some feedback on them in a few days.
Ha, funny bout the Mercury, was thinking the same thing when I slipped into them a week or so ago. I haven't gotten my piggies in a Vulcan, but I was extremely impressed by the smoothness and stiffness of the Mercury. I was initially pretty sold on getting the 'One' but the Mercury is only a smidge heavier, has the same good stride, and I'm sure will be more solid on the way down.
I really wanted to buy the Vulcan but when I tried it I got a cramp in my foot just having the boot on unbuckled. Buckled was even worse. I couldn't be bothered to even try to fit that to my foot. The instep is far too low for me
Went for Maestrale RS
Had my Mercuries for a week or two now. Only skied them with some GS skis on groomers once so far, and so far so good. At 190lbs I can't really see why you'd go for Vulcans as these are plenty stiff. The flex is less progressive with the tongue on compared to my Il Moros using the stiffer tongue that came with the Dalbellos (I think it's labeled C?), but they are definately on the stiffer side and plenty stiff for my skiing needs. Haven't tried skiing them without the tongues yet but will give that a go next time on skis. The fiddle-factor with the tongues seems to get easier each time, but you have to pretty much unbuckle everything to get them into place.
Posted about fit with 916s in the Guardian thread yesterday. Crammed these into some 916 ZZs. Toe doesn't adjust high enough but they have those two less rubbery pads that sit on the AFD so I *think* it might work with some grinding. Out of the box they probably will fail any testing as there's a lot of friction against the AFD.
As for fit, they have a pretty low instep, solid heel hold with a pretty snug fit ending up with a pretty big toe box. I have pretty big calves and these are very snug around my calves at least. Tried them with the Intuition liners from my Il Moros but weren't able to even close the upper buckle with those in. Molded the liners that came with them with some padding on my ankles and the sixth toe area and are using them with some Conformable custom footbeds. Still a bit low instep for me but they felt better each run I did. Might have to punch them in the sixth toe area but I need to take them out on some bigger skis as snow season really kicks off.
Will report back with more input once I've had more days on them.
Have you tried to cut out the elastic thingy on top of the instep at the base of the tongue yet?Quote:
Still a bit low instep for me but they felt better each run I did
I'm sure that rigid spine along the seam that travels down the tongue doesn't help either. Instep is a bit tight on me also but plan on cutting that elastic thing off right away.
Checked to see if the boot board is removable but it seems glued in there for some reason.
Hmm, I'm days away from pulling the trigger on some Vulcans, but the last page of this thread has me second guessing them over the Mercury. Not that I'm looking for a race boot stiff AT boot, but I wouldn't mind it considering I'm 6'2" , 220 lbs.
However, I'm no fan of boots (typically Pebax) that have the flex pattern of a cast. I like/want/need stiff boots, but prefer to have a reasonably progressive flex pattern.
I've had several AT boots, but haven't kept any of them because the because the flex pattern sucked (Scarpa Hurricane, Garmont Radium), or because they just had way too much footbed ramp angle (Garmont Endorphin).
I also just picked up a pair of 2011 BD Quadrants on SAC, but i won't be keeping those because they're just too wide for my feet. I am however fine with the flex on these, but then again they're not pebax. (side note i'll post them up for $320 what i paid SAC before i return them. Size 29.5)
Reading this leads me to think the Mercury is basically almost as stiff as the Vulcan, but with a more progressive flex pattern. Can anyone quantify the Mercury flex? Is it like a "110" where the Vulcan is a "120"? Or is the Mercury even closer, further? Is the Mercury similar to the Quadrant?
I know it appears I'm splitting hairs, but i want to keep these boots ...
I ran across some random store marketing specs online that put the Mercury at 120 flex. Will know more when I ski them.
Full disclosure, I haven't tried on the Vulcan or Mercury. But all this talk of non-progressive flex has me doubtful -- I sold the Radium for the same reason you did. You should definitely consider the Maestrale RS. Read the threads here and MarshalOlsen's review on blister. Also consider the Cochise Light or Cochise Pro 130 for a more "alpine" boot feel. Since I ski in Full Tilt (#10 tongue), I actually prefer the flex pattern of the RS to the Cochise. The Maestrale RS is very similar in flex to a Full Tilt #8 tongue with the stock liners, and maybe a #9 Full Tilt with powerwraps.Quote:
Originally Posted by YoEddy
Talking to others (XavierD, etc) who say they'd rather ski the Mercury sans tongue because it's more progressive makes me think the Maestrale is probably the way to go. Like I said, haven't tried on the new dynafit boots though.
PS. Where are people trying on Vulcans?
To my knowledge vulcans are not available anywhere yet. Shipping to retailers mid November.Quote:
Originally Posted by auvgeek
Had my mercuries fitted yesterday. Very stiff, solid, and the best "feeling" AT boot I've had on my feet. Supportive insole and a thermo mold with a piece of round foam over the top of the arch of both feet (boot fitter recommendation) helped with the tightness and solves my only concern with the fit so far.
The Mercury feels similar in overall forward stiffness to my Lange RS 130's, maybe a touch stiffer. It is nothing like the Quadrant. I'd have to give the Vulcan a 140. The Vulcan I tried on was a photo sample sent by Dynafit over the summer, no one has production boots in stock yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by YoEddy
Interesting! I ski the RS140's so that's a great comparison for me - thanks.
I looked at the specs for both and see that the Mercury and Vulcan appear to be the same lower shell - both are Grilamid. The only difference is the upper cuff where the Merc is Grilamid reinforced with fiberglass, and the Vulcan is carbon fiber/Grilamid.
With the Mercury being as stiff as you mention, and given they both have the same lower shell then it boils down to the difference in flex pattern/stiffness between the two cuffs.
And with that I'm no closer to any conclusion than before ... shit.
Available here in Euroland - tried some (Vulcans) on today. Didn't have the right size, btu I crammed into the smaller one. VERY stiff (obv don't soften as much in a warm shop as other boots). Really fucking fiddly trying to get into them too - might well go with the Maestrale RS jsut to avoid that (still need to try one in my real size though). Walk mode on both is great, hard to choose between on that point. Interested to try the Mercuries (plus Vulcan and RS in my size), but can't find anyone with them yet.Quote:
Originally Posted by sneaky_steve
Where was that? And what size did you try?
Innsbruck (Austria) - 27
If you're trying to avoid the "flex pattern of a cast," you'd probably be more apt to like the Mercury. FWIW, the ramp on the Vulcan/Mercury/One boots feels quite flat.Quote:
Originally Posted by YoEddy
Got a call from Bent Gate today that Vulcans are now in stock and being delivered.
I get mine on Friday.....Whooot Whoot.
Props to Bent Gate calling me in Seattle to let me know.
Looks like you're a lucky man because almost sizes except the 26 are listed as "shipping mid-December" on their site.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotsman50