Sad day for west coast D1 sports.
Y’all think Arizona and West Virginia can afford to be flying players back and forth and Rutgers being able to afford flying them to Los Angeles on the regular?
Are we still pretending these players are students?
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Sad day for west coast D1 sports.
Y’all think Arizona and West Virginia can afford to be flying players back and forth and Rutgers being able to afford flying them to Los Angeles on the regular?
Are we still pretending these players are students?
I’m UGA alum, but I’ve been living in Oregon for the last 10 years. I hate to see the Pac12 implode. Seems like a permanent solution to a temporary problem. USC, Stanford, Oregon, UCLA each have historically competed on a national level in decades past. Seems shortsighted to blow it all up over a few years of lackluster competition.
Seems like the end game is the P5 conferences just create a super conference and leave the NCAA.
It sure looks like all the future Big12/16 teams have only ONE Natty between them post WW2.. Baylor. I may be missing something. Ok State claims one in the late 40s by default, think the game was cancelled due to WW2 so they never actually won it..
PAC should have just stayed together and outright merged with them
All over a time zone.
WVU has been in the Big 12 since the Big Least conference was dissolved. Putting all the obvious dumb shit aside, losing long-time rivalries for teams you’ve never cared about is the worst part. Ten years later I didn’t start caring, I just watch fewer games.
I don’t know enough about how the money flows at the conference and team level, but I do wonder how much of this is a result of the players being able to earn money off their name and likeness. Who they are playing on a regular basis and how much exposure those games are getting obviously affects the value of the licensing deals they can sign, which affects the recruiting draw that coaches can sell. “Hey, you can get that big exposure playing against Michigan but then the day after the game be hanging at Hermosa Beach with hot chicks with fake boobs in a corvette convertible you bought with your shoe deal.”
Also I live in Eugene and our stupid airport ain’t even close to ready for this.
Man, Hermosa beach was just awesome back in the day.
Gerrymandering of college sports
Money ruins everything
College football has become just shitty minor league football at this point. Fucking sucks.
Agreed - I've pretty much lost all interest over the past several years. And now these assholes are essentially ruining it for all of the other college sports. This period will be looked at as the beginning of a steep decline for viewer interest (outside of maybe the SEC teams regional markets) 15+ years from now.Quote:
Originally Posted by The SnowShow
Its all about media rights and each schools $ piece of the conference pie as it relates to a broadcast contract. The conference has been mismanaged for a decade; once the last ESPN contract expired. Now, each 'quality' school expects to receive north of $35m a year from the conference contract . That was not in the picture for the P12 with the pathetic Apple streaming proposal (requiring schools help to push 'subscriptions.' Plus, how are you going to recruit a blue chipper by telling him & his parents he will get great exposure on streaming?
A good read and quite truthful. https://theathletic.com/4748641/2023...ngton-big-ten/
Yeah, I think we can all agree it's a short term money grab that is logical, but they might be killing the sport to a certain degree in the long run. College sports was built on a foundation of regional rivalries.
The truth is that no one needs the PAC-12, a conference that doesn't look after the best interests of its members, and hasn't for a long time.
One of the big differences and advantages that College football has had over other sports is the importance of going undefeated. By making each game matter so much, the value of each game was massively increased. With the national consolidation, the product will be diluted as there’s sure to be plenty of 2-4 loss teams making the playoff. In turn this makes every game less desirable and fewer people will tune in. TV execs are ruining the product in return for short term gains. Pretty much the definition of capitalism in the US since the 80s.
Hey, Cal won the Rose Bowl--over Alabanma no less--in 1938Quote:
Originally Posted by lowsparkco
The conferences only really matter for football, and to a lesser extent basketball. Expect to see more nonconference games, like the minor sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
What's funny to me is all the comments in the articles I've read about this blaming it on the university presidents, as if this were a major concern of theirs. The president's job is to raise money. Cal has an annual budget of about 3 billion dollars, of which the profit from football is about 5 million.
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Originally Posted by Viva
I’m absolutely positive that somewhere in the pits of Methregon, someone is thinking,
“If Oregon can be part of the Big 10 then why can’t Josephine County be part of Idaho?”
I wonder why they can't keep the conferences the same for all sports except football and basketball. Why make swimmers, gymnasts, track & field, crew, lacrosse, etc. travel across the fucking continent just to serve the interests of the big 2 moneymakers?
My thoughts as well. Imagine being a softball player from the west coast and now you have to travel to NJ for 3 games while trying to pass classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tri-Ungulate
A combo of greed and pure incompetence from the PAC killed 100 years of history. Pretty sad really. Plus now I have to road trip to Lubbock and Ames instead of Seattle and LA. At least the BBQ should be good.
As a Cal alumni (you too?) with multiple friends whose kids are currently attending and participating in other sports, I assure you this is not the case and all of this mess is screwing things up and they've already been forced to travel much more in recent years as a result. It's only going to get worse. Same deal for Stanford.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
I don't get it at all. Does this mean no more Apple Cup? WTF? This kind of shit belongs in my "what are you too old to deal with anymore?" thread.
This should be the official 2023 College Football Thread. RIP PAC-12. Go big, Big XII Utes!
Yeah, but this thread is also kinda about the collateral damage to the other sports under the collegiate aegis. I consider myself Cal alumni (even though I didn't eventually graduate form there) and wifey is Stafnurd, so it does hit home.
The Total Carnage & Collateral Damage 2023 College Football Thread
No, 100% pure incompetence.Quote:
Originally Posted by alias_rice
Failure to develop a reasonable revenue sharing arrangement, failure to build value in the member institutions, failure to protect it's most valuable franchises, failure to add Texas/Oklahoma, etc...
On that last point- The Big 12 was ripe for the picking and the PAC-12 ends up with Colorado! No Texas, no OU, no Nebraska, not even A&M with their alumni network and research facilities.
I guess Utah more than made up for that.
Of course some of the member institutions did their fair share to fuck things up- e.g.: Stanford adamantly pushing for equal revenue sharing. That deal is largely why USC and fucla left the conference, and why Texas and Oklahoma declined to join.
The Pac-12 actually demanded that Texas contribute $15MM annually from its Long Horn Network (an ESPN deal)!
Think the Pac-12 might be in a better positions had it negotiated a way to allow Texas, OU, Texas Tech and Oklahoma St. join? Adding Texas likely would have likely facilitated a far bigger ESPN deal for the conference in whole.
The networks want to pay more and more $$$ for access to great product/franchises, and not the mediocre shit-fuck that the Pac-12 evolved into.
This is the beginning of the end for those sports, every slowly,one at a time. Many will become club teams where they have to self fund.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
For Cal softball, as an example, over half the games last season were non conference. I expect UCLA, as an example, will still be playing Cal, it just won't be a conference game. In Rugby Cal--a frequent national champion and runner up last season--plays in a 4 team conference. 8 out of 38 games were in conference. Cal water polo--champs last 2 seasons--is similar.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
I'm not sure how much the additional traveling has to do with conference realignment. When the UCLA has to travel to Columbus that will be a stretch--certainly not good for so called student athletes.
Part of what's going on with the Pac 12 is that basically people on the west coast don't care as much about sports in general and college football in general. We went to Cal-Stanford at Stanford one year--Goff vs McCaffery. Plenty of empty seats. Not a lot of noise. Most of the enthusiasm was from the kids staring at each other over the Axe. (Stanford won, Goff threw for a shitload.) If a 'Bama alum had the misfortune of having a kid go to Stanford and decided to catch a game they would be shocked.
Nah, for NorCal anyway, we just don't care about college sports. Pretty rabid following for pro teams (and many championships and/or very close) over the last few decades for the Warriors, 49ers, SF Giants, etc. Even the lowly (but now much better) Sacramento Kings have die-hard fans.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
Perennially mediocre teams always do. Hey, I've been a Mets fan since 1969 through thick and thin. LFGM!Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
Are you really saying NorCal peeps don't follow college sports?Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
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No, I'm say we follow them way less intensely than in some other regions and there's more focus on pro teams.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Reverend Floater
The SoCal schools are in the same boat. Very much fair weather fans. When fucla or the university of spoiled children are good the whole city shows up. When they suck the stadiums are half full.
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I started grad school at Cal during the Rodgers Lynch years and I moved to Eugene right at the start of the Herbert years, any B1G cities looking for a future HOF QB wanna pay me a signing bonus to relocate in your city? Warning, my relocation may cause your school to leave its athletic conference.
If that were true, Oakland would still have the raiders and the As wouldn’t be leaving. CA is all about the fair weather. Nothing wrong w that. We have a lot to choose from so if a team is good everyone jumps on the bandwagon. If they suck, attendance is dowwwwwwwn. No comparison between the hardcore base percentage in CA vs the east and nothing wrong w that. Ca doesn’t give a real fuck unless the team is winning - college or proQuote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
How is an 18-team conference going to have either an entire season or a conference champ? The season is only so long…Quote:
Originally Posted by altacoup
This.Quote:
Originally Posted by k2skier112
Growing up on the Pac10, er, 12, this would have been devastating to me as a kid. Nowadays it is more a disappointed shrug. The money, one-n-done in basketball, Chip at UCLA. Not a lot to get excited about anymore.
Same, I wasn’t huge into college sports but man New Years was a special day. I grew up 15 mins from the Rose Bowl, worked on our city’s parade float as a kid, and it was always so fun waking up to the parade, watching the PAC10 and BIG10 champ marching bands, and then game coverage starting. Ended up going to college literally right down the road from the Rose Bowl and living in Old Town Pasadena for a year.Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiBall
Which is why the Pac X didn't have a big TV contract. Plus the time gap means fewer east coast eyeballs.Quote:
Originally Posted by TahoeJ
Cal recruiting is hampered....both in blue chip players and coaching. Wilcox is an exception.
They won't reduce the 'standard' for the student part of the athlete like many other schools. Their PC world of 'equality and opportunity for all' has put some really bad coaches in head jobs.
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Originally Posted by mcski