so this is the year Im gonna buy some boots and mount up some dynafits and go touring wherever I am.
when to these things get available
anyone out there skiing the spirit 4? those are gettin mega cheap at TP.
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so this is the year Im gonna buy some boots and mount up some dynafits and go touring wherever I am.
when to these things get available
anyone out there skiing the spirit 4? those are gettin mega cheap at TP.
If you are getting new boots, and have not been following all the AT boot threads, the hot item this season is the new Dynafit line. Look at the review by LeeLau. Not sure about their pricing though.
Just like any other boots - the best AT boot is the one that fits the best. IF you like the Scarpa AT boot fit then go for it. If you like the way dynafit boots fit it is probably worth waiting.
i saw the dynafit article.. good stuff. want to try them on. but the q is, when will they be available in stores?
i start to see them in october.
although i have not tried on the new dynafit line-up, i found in the past that there was a significant difference in the nature of the fit between dynafit, scarpa, and garmont. it's obviously a personal decision, but i find that garmonts fit me while dynafits (historically) are not as good a fit. i only say that as you might be able to locally find only one or the other to try on, so you may need to extrapolate.
i recommend going with a thermo liner regardless of which option you choose (for weight, performance, and comfort) -- and from what i had seen up to and including last season, i really thing the intuition liners are better than the house-brand scarpa, dynafit, and garmont thermo liners. (i think i read that one of the companies contracted with intuition for this year; if so, that could be good, but make sure it's the tallest/stiffest intuition and not a 'touring model'.)
in my opinion, 4-buckle boots are sort of dinosaurs. they add weight, and they contribute marginal stiffness compared to a boot with 3, well-placed buckles. you should be able to ski well with that toe buckle (on a 4-buckle boot) completely undone -- it should have no bearing on your control IF the boot fits you properly.
AT boots will ski different than alpine boots, but one is not inherently better than the other (though you might be tempted, at first, to think of it as "AT boots can't do x, y or z"). the reality is that your style may need to adapt without the inherent stiffness of an alpine boot to rely on as a crutch.
think about what type of tours you will be doing:
a) will you ride these boots daily (in & out of bounds)?
b) will they be for mostly sidecountry?
c) will you be skinning long distances? doing short bootpacks? rock scrambling? walking through on-mountain cafeterias?
disclaimer: the boots of most interest to me these days are the 3-buckle moderately light/moderately stiff offerings from scarpa and garmont. that said, i have no plans to switch from my modded mega-rides.
good luck!
i got spirit 4's and endorphins from TP shipped for 9 bills. not bad considering how much each boot is in the u.s.
the spirit 4 seems great, especially with the black tounge. looking foward to skiing them both. i think the spirit 4 will be plenty stiff, with a real spoiler and a booster strap.
i'm staying away from the dynafit boots, poor history, and way too expensive.
my 2 cents.
yeah, but the dynafit carbon Zzero looks good.. Leelau did a review on here..
how does the scarpa fit? is the toebox wide or narrow? arch support? what mondo did u get?
I think most people who have reviewed them have said the new Dynafits are supposed to fit more like Garmont AT boots than past Dynafits.
PM mulletizer for the spirit 4!!!
here are a couple of threads with my (and others') thoughts on the Spirit 4:
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=70168
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/s...ad.php?t=79654
i'm a scarpa foot. the spirit 4 seems to me a bit more snug in overall build. toe box neutral, higher arch in comparison to the average a.t. boot. i have a 28 mondo, which says 317mm on the outside.Quote:
how does the scarpa fit? is the toebox wide or narrow? arch support? what mondo did u get?
an issue with upgrading to spirit 4's is that the dyna toe fittings are 4mm back from the original spec in the previous years boots. if you have 5 sets of skis with tlt's, with 5mm of adjustability in the bindings, you may have to redrill your heel pieces to accomodate the new settings in the boot. i have to do this with a couple of pair for this season.
Which is what? Thanks for voicing it this way jrosendahl....I'm in NewEngland and you can't buy a chance at finding a Zzero to try on...regardless of size :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by jrosendahl
In some of Lee Lau's pics the Zeros look pretty narrow on width? Y/N Think I'll head over to at least try on some Spirit 4s in the AM.
Any info highly welcomed!
Thanks,
Steve
I don't see the major advantage of the Spirit 4 vs a Spirit 3 with black tornado tongue (and a boosterstrap)
The 4th buckle seems superfluous and the Spirit 4's are heavier and more expensive. What's the bonus?
Terminator X's :D
What's the diff. between the Spirit 4 and the Tornado Pro?
EverythingQuote:
Originally Posted by schindlerpiste
:cussing: Really? The only real difference that I see is that the Spirit 4 is Dynafit compatible and the Tornado Pro is not.
Both feature intuition liners (speed vs.Precision high); both have Pebax; both have 4 buckle and power strap; both have forward lean of 19-23; both weigh about 1900g. There is vibram vs. Skywalk sole.
Yep, I guess that's everything.....fool. Why not just contribute an answer, rather than be a wiseass?:nonono2:
Have you actually looked at the boots in a store and not on a spec sheet?Quote:
Originally Posted by schindlerpiste
Hurricane = Alpine boot with interchangeable soles. Tornado Pro = wannabe Alpine boot with touring mode. Spirit = touring boot.
Dude, I own Tornado Pros. I didn't know anything about Scarpa 4. I thought a bit softer, lighter, dynafit compatible. I asked the question, and got a smart ass no info. answer. Very cool.
You can say that the Tornado Pro is a touring boot, but more solid with the black tongue. Good inbounds and while touring. A very worthy "patroller" boot. I just don't understand (or welcome) some dudes' attitudes. You know, like they know everything, and are too self-important to share that "knowledge" with others.
I don't understand people who ask questions of semi-random strangers and expect an answer tailored to their exact life. Hire a "ski counselor" if you want that, this shit (pun intended) is free. The differences are quite apparent. Whether those are meaningful to you is what matters. Only you can know that, unless you listen to marketing. They know best.
^^^amen
Broad questions will get broad answers, especially when all the information is available already on Scarpa's site.
Specific questions, or at least broad questions with some background, will get more specific answers.
sounds like you got it mostly figured out already... whats the question?Quote:
Originally Posted by schindlerpiste
Also:
Different shell profiles, thicknesses, stiffness
Tornado pro has very little sole rocker,
Spirit 4 does not have interchangable soles and thusly is not alpine binding DIN compatible
Different buckle systems (Spirit 4 uses 2 lightweight buckles and 2 ratchet straps instead of 3 heavy duty buckles and 1 ratchet)
That's what I was wondering. Thanks.
BTW, I don't think that my Tornado Pros have interchangeable soles. They do have interchangeable tongues.
BCA says they'll play with Naxos and Dynafits... I've got to wonder how the bellows affects performance... or are they really gonna be just as good as a Spirit 3 except nicer to walk in?Quote:
Originally Posted by likwid