Hey Sublime:

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02-19-2004, 11:18 AM
lemon boy

Hey Sublime:

Seeing as how your other thread devolved I'm going to start a new one:

IMVHO - Registering for selective service is not a negative deal at all. It gives you the pass for education funding and keeps you legal. It is an easy way to keep track of people for a draft. Do not kid yourself though: If the draft is re-instated "they" will find you regardless of whether or not you've previously registered with them. Registering with SS DOES NOT materially limit your courses of action should you choose to not participate in a future war.

If there is a war that is large enough to re-instate the draft then you will have to do some serious soul searching as to whether or not you will participate, registered with SS or no.

Who knows, you may want to join the military for a future war. After all there is a hell of a big difference between WWII and Vietnam.

I think one of the great lessons of the Vietnam era is that as a society and as individuals we need to take a careful thoughtful look at the actions we take. I know a lot of people who went to VN simply because we were at war with them and never questioning the "rightness" of the war and wish they'd done a bit more soul searching first.

My .02 - YMMV

I didn't see if you'd made a decision in the other thread and it was so hateful I stopped reading.

All you haters - keep your shit outta my thread.
02-19-2004, 11:33 AM
watersnowdirt

Re: Hey Sublime:

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Originally posted by lemon boy

I think one of the great lessons of the Vietnam era is that as a society and as individuals we need to take a careful thoughtful look at the actions we take.

nicely put LB.
02-19-2004, 12:17 PM
SledNeck

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All you haters - keep your shit outta my thread.

Blow me. You friggin liberals are the biggest purveyors of "Group Think" I've ever seen. Always stroking each other's peckers any chance you get. Talk about haters, friggin conservatives are the only ones dealt any hate around here.

Fuck off........
02-19-2004, 12:34 PM
Spamhelmet

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Originally posted by SledNeck
Blow me. You friggin liberals are the biggest purveyors of "Group Think" I've ever seen. Always stroking each other's peckers any chance you get. Talk about haters, friggin conservatives are the only ones dealt any hate around here.

Fuck off........

Greetings from europe to you , mister.

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02-19-2004, 12:36 PM
Buster Highmen

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Originally posted by SledNeck
Blow me. You friggin liberals are the biggest purveyors of "Group Think" I've ever seen. Always stroking each other's peckers any chance you get. Talk about haters, friggin conservatives are the only ones dealt any hate around here.

Fuck off........

Mobius thinking and posting.

I would disagree regarding registration. LB, I find it a bit spun that a rationalization for doing it is because it's law. Huh?

There are situations where the draft is appropriate, but why force registration in the absence of the need? Seems like a wad of socialist , big gubberment, unnecessary bureaucracy and big brother tracking.

Consider the administration under which this was instituted.

For what it's worth, Sublime, I respect your questioning.
02-19-2004, 12:38 PM
lemon boy

[Cartman Voice]

Ahem! For the fuckers in the cheap seats:

ALL YOU ASSHOLE HATERS KEEP YOUR SHIT OUTTA MY THREAD! GODDAMN TRY AND HAVE A CIVIL DISCUSSION

I said:
[triggers bullhorn]
How would you like to lick my balls?
[/bullhorn]
[/Cartman Voice]
02-19-2004, 12:42 PM
joshbu

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Originally posted by SledNeck
Blow me. You friggin liberals are the biggest purveyors of "Group Think" I've ever seen. Always stroking each other's peckers any chance you get. Talk about haters, friggin conservatives are the only ones dealt any hate around here.

Fuck off........

Damn dude. No wonder us rich folk keep getting richer. The right has done such an amazing brainwash job. Dude: keep voting Republican! I need another tax break so I can go heliskiing for two months next year.
02-19-2004, 12:59 PM
lemon boy

Well buster, I guess the way I see it is that I generally follow the laws, especially those which I agree with and/or those, which have a significant enough reprecussion to enforce compliance even if I disagree with them. Ones that I disagree with I will work to change and may openly flaunt them, depending largely on my level of moral conflict with the law.

Complying with the selective service laws does not cost anything, nor does it limit anyone's options. Now, I am not unsympathetic to the plight of people who have very strong convictions regarding the use of military force and/or supporting the military-industrial complex in any way. Sublime's original post though did not evince any deep or profund issues with the use of military force, instead he apparently disagree's with the shrub's use of it. This I don't think is sufficient reason to get all hepped up about SSR and I doubt that the shrub will be able to initiate a draft.

Really, I don't see registering as being that big a deal. Sure it is a PITA govt. beauracracy so are a lot of things. He's got to decide if it is a big enough issue to endure the pain of the strings attached to not registering. Civil disobediance is one thing but if you're going to engage in it you must be prepared to suffer the consequences and I think that you should have some well defined principals guiding you in your disobediance.
02-19-2004, 01:51 PM
iceman

I have agree with LB, since registering does not limit your options and there are negative repercussions, go ahead and register, it can't hurt. Just keep your head in the process and exercise your options if/when you are called up.
02-19-2004, 01:57 PM
KQ

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Originally posted by iceman
I have agree with LB, since registering does not limit your options and there are negative repercussions, go ahead and register, it can't hurt. Just keep your head in the process and exercise your options if/when you are called up.

Adding my .02 worth - if you stay within the confines of the law you put yourself in a stronger position to protest the law. Make sense?
02-19-2004, 01:58 PM
Pinner

Register for selective service for no other reason than WE ALL HAD TO DO IT, SO SUCK IT UP AND STOP BEING SUCH A PUSSY. IT'S YOUR TURN NOW.

Seriously though, it's worth thinking about and considering what your action would be if you're called up. At least you're not in some godforsaken semi-socialist land with mandatory service.
02-19-2004, 02:06 PM
Sublime

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Sublime is thinking right: if there's a reason to fight, if our country or our families are in danger, sign the hell up, and now. If there's a legitimate national interest that requires American boys to be on the front line?

Fine. Sign the paper.

But to be drafted and die for Halliburton and Exxon? To leave my wife a widow for Texaco? Fuck that forever. Come find me

Ice got it the best. I would be fighting to stop Hitler. But not some god forsaken war over oil or to police the world.

All sign up for the SS. Only because I am going to need finacial aid. If the draft ever broke out I am a skip and a dash away from Canada. Providing the war didn't look like anything like the one in Iraq.
02-19-2004, 02:17 PM
DJSapp

As it has been said before, if there is a draft, and you're in the US, they will find you SSR or not. You know your social security number? You pay your taxes? You're already hosed. They know how old you are and where your live.

Your best option is to sign up, get the college money and an education. If there is a draft, you'll have a degree so you'll get the cushey office job if you haven't already left.

Also repeating others, if you don't like the system, vote or leave the country.

edit: whoops, sublime you posted while I was writing. well put mang.
02-19-2004, 02:22 PM
Tippster

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Ahhhh.. the sound of goose-stepping Jack-boots has finally ceased.

Idiot.
02-19-2004, 02:52 PM
Buster Highmen

Buncha sheep.

I do not believe that registration is needed in the absence of a draft. I do feel that it brings about unnecessary bureaucracy and is a very short and easy step to invasion of privacy. In those regards, I do believe that there is a significant cost.

I dodged Vietnam. I'll dodge any other war I don't believe in and I'll fight to protect my son and daughter from going to wars fought in the interest of corporate profits.

So I do see registering for the draft as a big deal. But I'll still love you anyway.
02-19-2004, 02:55 PM
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Originally posted by Sublime
If the draft ever broke out I am a skip and a dash away from Canada.

Yeah, after all, Canada is a quick swim across the Detroit river. Plenty of illegals came in that way. :D

I registered because I thought I had to. Apparently not, but I'm glad I did.
02-19-2004, 03:03 PM
ak_powder_monkey

you think they could find a better name then social secrerity (sp?) i mean the ss was a bunch of asshole nazis
02-19-2004, 03:12 PM
zion zig zag

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Originally posted by ak_powder_monkey
you think they could find a better name then social secrerity (sp?) i mean the ss was a bunch of asshole nazis

I don't think they are talking about retirement benefits here. He's turning 18, not 62. But, thanks for your contribution.