Do Salomon heels suck (or is it just me)?

I have a pair of wardens on my Billy goats and constantly get pre releases from the heel, usually after landing a small jump, or the first turn after dropping in on something steep. I just walk out of the heel on one or both skis. I've fiddled with the toe height and forward adjustment and cranked up the din but still have issues. It's not limited to big airs or poor landings.

I have never had this sort of thing happen on marker or look bindings, and it makes me hesitant to mount any of the sth2s I have hoarded. Is this a common problem? Do I just suck at setting up these bindings? Do I have defective heels? Curious to hear how other people have found them.

I exclusively ski solly drivers and don’t have this issue. Have [emoji6[emoji640][emoji637]] pairs mounted of various generations.

Probably a setup (forward pressure) issue.


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I had the same issues with sth2 on BGs and got fed up messing with them to stay in so remouted with pivots. haven't skied them yet this year but i'm not expecting any issues.

edit button didn't work so adding that i haven't had the same issues with the wardens on my rock skis, but i don't ski them as hard so...who knows.

Forward pressure OK?

Boot soles within spec?

Maybe get them tested?

If it’s happening on both bindings, almost guarantee you have incorrect forward pressure. Go to a shop and get them tested.

recenlty aquired an STH 14 cuz I still had trouble getting into Barons with a repaired ACL

they seem fine IME and with enough PT I can finally step into my Baron's

I've released from the heel on my sollies as well. It's been borderline valid releases I suppose, but the type of release I've had, I could have skied out of it. Ever since it happened I run a slightly higher DIN on the heel.

I had more pre-releases on my STH2’s that any other binding. I sold them after a season (this was years ago).

Only ever had 1 pre-release on pivots.

Most of my skis have attack 13’s, which have been pretty consistent for me. I have double ejected a few times landing too far forward in deep sticky snow, hard to say if I could have pulled off not eating shit if it hadn’t happened. I run the heel din slightly higher on those.

Landing too far forwards from the air is pretty much the most direct way to apply force vertically to the heel of the boot, which is the way all modern bindings are design to release most readily, regardless of brand. Cranking up the heel DIN is the really the only way to reduce that possibility (assuming forward pressure is set correctly)


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I always ran the heel 1 or 2 din higher than the toe with solly's. Nothing scientific. That's just where I ended up trying to limit pre releases.

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to be sure you are talking about real DIN boots and of course they are clean ?

I always have to turn up the heal on a binding +1 if I use a vibram AT sole

Well I guess I'm not the only one who has had issues. I think I have the forward pressure adjusted correctly but I'll get them tested at the shop. Perhaps they are more sensitive than my other bindings.

I have had this happen with three different pairs of boots: alpine sole, touring, and grip walk. The grip walk ones were brand new boots so should have been in spec.

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None of the issues that you’re having are normal with Salomon bindings. The only time that I’ve pre released from them is if my forward pressure is too low.


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When I used to jump of stuff, especially where firmer landings occurred, I felt like this happened to me a lot with those Salomon models. Since, I’ve toned it down, it doesn’t happen anymore. Recommended DIN is an eight and bindings were set at ten.


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Imma go out on a limb and say it's just you. You suck. The few posters you have in here clinging onto your failures are just trying to self-defeat.

Salomon bindings have been a global standard for decades. Get your shit together.

"Do Salomon heels suck" ... No. They don't. You do. Get your shit together, do it yourself, go to a real shop, whatever it takes. It's not that hard.

/endrant

In vino veritas


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Gaijin is grouchy today!

Ask stupid questions, get stupid answers.


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So 2 of the 3 boot types you said you tried I wouldn't put in a Salomon binding made specificaly for DIN boots cuz I am not really sure about using anything except a DIN boot in an alpine DIN binding so that muddies up the water alot IMO

if I look at the thickness of an AT heel compared to a DIN heel its way thicker so I 'm not really sure if the pivots are in the right place to deal with that extra AT sole thickness ?

as for pre-load I think you wana make sure you are reading/ using the pre-load marks correctly for your binding , you can find your binding on-line and makes sure you are doing it right OR take it to a shop

I own a couple of Salomons in the DIN binding category, I adj. them to my DIN and they all work fine

I get more heel pre releases when I’ve used Salomon bindings. Upped the heel din +1 or +2 and it solved it. But I don’t really like doing that so I stick with pivots now. I didn’t experience it as bad as you’re describing tho, so maybe something is wrong with the setup.


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Sorry this is an MNC version of the warden, with adjustable toe height. So that is another place to fuck up on adjustments if it's not set right.

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I get more heel pre releases when I’ve used Salomon bindings. Upped the heel din +1 or +2 and it solved it. But I don’t really like doing that so I stick with pivots now. I didn’t experience it as bad as you’re describing tho, so maybe something is wrong with the setup. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

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I mean I don't want to give the impression that this happens all the time, but it's just always in a situation where it seemed way too easy to walk out. I'm not talking big airs here, like 12-18 inch hops into soft snow. I have the heels at +2 now and it still happens occasionally. On pivots (or even markers) I have never had a release that wasn't 100% reasonable, and I don't crank up the DIN on those.

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Originally Posted by fleaches

I mean I don't want to give the impression that this happens all the time, but it's just always in a situation where it seemed way too easy to walk out. I'm not talking big airs here, like 12-18 inch hops into soft snow. I have the heels at +2 now and it still happens occasionally. On pivots (or even markers) I have never had a release that wasn't 100% reasonable, and I don't crank up the DIN on those.

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Hm, that does sound too easy. Maybe go over the binding adjustment with a capable friend, might be overlooking something obvious after staring at it for too long


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Originally Posted by fleaches

I have a pair of wardens on my Billy goats and constantly get pre releases from the heel, usually after landing a small jump, or the first turn after dropping in on something steep. I just walk out of the heel on one or both skis. I've fiddled with the toe height and forward adjustment and cranked up the din but still have issues. It's not limited to big airs or poor landings.

I have never had this sort of thing happen on marker or look bindings, and it makes me hesitant to mount any of the sth2s I have hoarded. Is this a common problem? Do I just suck at setting up these bindings? Do I have defective heels? Curious to hear how other people have found them.

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I honestly had this too. With the tab style heel fwd pressure if it was in range but on the looser side.