Peak TRG is reached if we focus a thread on lift lines — shitty maze design, dick moves, clueless lifties, Texans, …
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Peak TRG is reached if we focus a thread on lift lines — shitty maze design, dick moves, clueless lifties, Texans, …
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Nobody does this better (worse?) than Mount St. Louis Moonstone in Ontario. 1:45 drive from Toronto, there's a lot of idiot city folk who want to go and ski/snowboard. They've got an assortment of 6 person chairlifts and absolute clusterfucks for lines and mazes. Staff there is just concerned with watching the screens for passes being scanned, they don't do fuck all to manage the crowds. Mazes are set too wide, so you'll constantly get 8-10 people all lined up for one chair, then ooops at the last second realize they can't fucking count and now we have two chairs of 4 with maybe a single on one of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by frorider
Singles line? Ha!! These people are so fucking stupid they can't count either. No fucking clue how it's supposed to work, they often just skootch in hoping for the best, and mess up the other can't-count dumbasses so they end up on their own goddamn chair.
Before we get that far though we need to manage the lines - alternating? Haaa! You're lucky if this happens. I mentioned to a lady and her kid (like 6 years old) that it was our turn to go once, and she shouted at me "THEN FUCKING GO AHEAD THEN!!" Like, yikes lady...
The whole thing is me loudly explaining what's happening to my kids "okay, so they're gonna go and then it's our turn," "hmmm 1-2-3-4-5... looks like we can take a single rider with us!" things like that.
This year they've introduced an 8-person lift. Jesus Christ almighty I don't even want to know what that shit show will look like.... The place gives me so much stress I just don't go there anymore. Instead I'll have more fun and a busier Blue Mountain where they actually have staff in the lines pairing people up and managing the dumb skier crowds properly.
It all boils down to mazes that are too wide and entitled assholes who don't want to let anyone go first like the icy groomers are gonna be any better if you're on them 15 seconds before the other guy.
Rant over.
Non-profit community owned Bridger Bowl does a damn fine job managing its maze and loading system.
Big Sky? All I can say is they have gotten better but the siting of their lift terminals and how it affects the traffic flow is still abysmal.
These people drive the 401. So it's no wonder the place that has the worst drivers on the planet produces skiers and riders that can't handle a liftline.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626
All i know is when the line gets long I'm outta there.
This is true everywhere because most people live in cities and most people are idiots.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626
Ah the good old days in SE Michigan--200 ft vertical with a couple of two seaters. The line was as simple as it gets. No singles because who would ski a place like that by themselves.
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Originally Posted by riser4
I get that it happens everywhere, but this place is THE worst. The tiny-ass place I live 10 minutes from (which is literally adjacent to the 401) isn't this bad - people alternate just fine, and can count to 4 for the most part. MSLM invites the worst of the population to come out, and then just lets them do whatever like feral pigs. I wanna say it's a 'certain type of people' but that'd be racist and I'm probably wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
And their signs near the ski racks "LOCK IT OR LOSE IT" also piss me off. They kinda condone theft, imo. Would rather see signs like "Area under surveillance - bait equipment in use" or something like that. "Lock it or lose it..." fuck off.
We stopped going to MSLM years back when a very bitchy ticket lady lost it on my gf claiming the 2-4-1 voucher she presented was counterfeit.
I'll continue to give them props for their snowmaking efforts, especially noticeable this year as mentioned elsewhere, but I can't justify driving there and paying 100 CAD for a handful of runs that are all nearly identical.
Was it though? I always get confused as to which side of the place I'm at - they are the same thing to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thaleia
Some of my best memories are riding those fixed-grip doubles with my grade school buddies up Mt. Brighton. Our parents would buy us season passes and give them to us for Christmas which we all thought was the best thing ever, unlimited skiing, not realizing that what our parents were actually buying was unlimited daycare/babysitting for 4 months out of the year. The "sitters" were stoned and drunk high school lifties, instructors and groomers. The patrollers were the drunk or stoned older siblings of those kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by old goat
Dropoff was right after school during the week and 9am on the weekends. Pickup was sometime around 9pm. There was a lounge with a huge fireplace where parents would hang and a pizza shop with video games where you'd laugh at your friends hacking on a cig they bummed off some liftie. The walls had posters with Plake, Schmidt and the Mahre brothers on them and your Lange Pink Panthers and Dynastar Vertical Assaults were the brightest thing on snow.
You knew everyone, the snow was always "variable", and the lift lines were where you'd try and catch a ride with that girl from school you had a crush on, hoping it would get stuck.
Wait, what was the thread about?
Negative.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626
Haven't been to the garbage dump hill in decades because of how bad it is. We used to go early in the season to make some turns but I'd rather go to Horseshoe Valley or stick hot knives up my nose then go there. Fuck them & I hope that hill dies a slow death. End of rant.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626
It's arrogance and ignorance that is the problem IME.Quote:
Originally Posted by riser4
Also I would give that title of worst drivers to Quebec.
I'd give Toronto/401 drivers a close 2nd.
Now when I go to Montreal I leave at 6 or 7 a.m. to avoid the rush hour that happens on the Hwy 40 aka Le Metropolitan. If you show up even at 2ish in the afternoon it can take an hour to an hour and half to get to the mild of the city whereas arriving closer to noon it can be only 30 minutes. Montreal is so fucked up with construction and inept Hwy system.
I'm used to Montreal drivers which is why the GTA seems worse to me. It's still Le Suck and everything else you said is spot on. I go to great lengths to force Google maps to bypass the city. There's two random spots on that road between Saint Jean Sur Richelieu and La Prairie that I have marked as favorites to use as waypoints.
Getting back on topic, the weirdest and most dysfunctional liftline interactions I've had at Jay Peak have been with folks from Canada. It hasn't always been francophones.
It's been a few years since I was a BB pass holder but I feel like most people know how to ski and are pretty good at self policing the lift line. Also hasn't what's his name been running lift ops for like 20 years?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bunion 2020
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On a pow day at Steamboat one season I get down to Thunderhead and the line is like 12 people wide and 200' up the hill from the terminal. It was busy. But there was a lot of snow at low elevation so I decided to bail to make it to Howelson before opening. Ended up farming knee deep pow there all morning with 2 other people on a $8 ticket. No lift lines.
Was that from a coupla years ago? June 1? Lifties weren't doing anything to fill chairs (lots of doubles and even a few singles on that quad). Peruvian and I pulled a total dick move and stood near the gates - there were no ropes - until we saw a couple that were going to get on the lift. We asked if they minded us joining to make a 4-some. Nobody called us out. Bonus: we got a June 1 K-mart t-shirt.Quote:
Originally Posted by m2711c
This past Sunday, at Stratton, the lift line for the Snow Bowl chair was approaching 40 minutes. Just as we (MMP and me) got to the front of the corral (we had joined up with another pair to fill a chair) this 50-ish dude tries to sneak in through a small gap in the snow fencing. MMP tells him to go get in line like the rest of us. Guy tries to stare him down and asks if we are 3 (we were clearly 4). MMP calls him a douche and tells him to go to the singles line. Dude doesn't move. All of a sudden the entire crowd figures out what's going on and 15-20 folk start yelling at the guy. He left.
I was eating lunch outside at Donner Ski Ranch, a little place notorious for theft, and turns out I was sitting next to the owner and the manager keeping an eye on a bait board. No hits while I was there, would have been fun.Quote:
Originally Posted by paulster2626
Those were the days.Quote:
Originally Posted by BmillsSkier
sometimes between 10 and 11 on a saturday am but usually there are no lift lines