Powderboards Mount Help

Need some help here collective…

Recently picked up a pair of old school Praxis Powderboards in a 195cm.

Read all the forums/threads about mount location and even emailed Keith on proper mount.

I have some conflicted info tho and I need someone to straighten me out a bit.

The skis tip to tail are 192cm which puts me at a 96cm true center. Keith told me to find that and go -8cm which equals a 104 from tip mount location.

Several threads talked about people wishing they would have gone 105 or even 106 because of their height and or tip dive.

Naturally I would just go with Keith’s number but I do know he’s fairly progressive with his skiing and mounts.

Do I dare go back more and ignore the creator?

For reference, I’m 6’3 and 185lbs with a 312 BSL

Thanks


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I was -9 nine on my pair and liked it.

I have always gone 1 to 2cm back from whatever Keith recommends on every Praxis I've owned. Dude really likes his forward mount points.

If you typically prefer more progressive, forward mounts go with Keith's reccomendation. If you typically prefer traditional mounts, go 2cm back. Not sure or can get along equally with forward or traditional mount points, go 1cm back.

FWIW I like mine at the progressive mount point on my 185s, turn initiation is fantastic though been a few years since I've been on them.

Do not go back from Keith’s recommend mount point, otherwise you’re missing the point of the ski. Reverse sidecut skis are a special beast and mount point can’t be moved as easily as a traditional sidecut ski. I have both 195 powder boards and 185 full reverse camber prototype protests that I got on this forum. Both were mounted behind recommended and totally sucked. I assuming that’s why I was able to buy them for super cheap. I remounted both and they’re great. Reverse reverse skis aren’t for everyone (except for upside down snow when they are the only ski design that actually works in that shit sandwich) but if you want to experience the magic, mount them on the recommended line and read Shane’s mind floss essay about the spatula. You need to rethink how to ski.


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gotmine at keith's recommended -8 and it's fuckin' money... big money.





fact.

If I remember correctly I mounted TAFKALVS's pair that I bought from him on the line and was pretty damn happy with them for the few days I got out on them before I passed them on.

Thanks for all the info. I didn’t know there was so much history with the RR style. Sounds like I got quite the learning experience coming my way…

I have the option to mount an sth2 or a warden demo, both of which I own, on the PBs….

Would the demo take away from the natural characteristics of the ski?

I may be picking up another ski for groomers, which would not warrant a demo mount, and therefore take the sth2 instead.

Thoughts?


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My 195s are mounted with a tyrolia demo because that was the only way to get my boot mounted on recommended. I would never mount a daily driver with demos, but on a niche ski like the powder board it works.


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Alfons, what sort of binding and boot ramp angle and fwd lean do you prefer?

IME with RR skis from praxis and others, i prefer a more park rat kind of setup ie not much ramp. From what I’ve read, other mags tend to agree fwiw. Helps make a progressive mount location feel right.

I’m not familiar with ramp angle on demo bindings

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Originally Posted by frorider

Alfons, what sort of binding and boot ramp angle and fwd lean do you prefer?

IME with RR skis from praxis and others, i prefer a more park rat kind of setup ie not much ramp. From what I’ve read, other mags tend to agree fwiw. Helps make a progressive mount location feel right.

I’m not familiar with ramp angle on demo bindings

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I’m not sure I’ve ever gotten that intense bout bindings or boot combos.

I’m on some atomic Hawx xtds and I’ve more recently gotten into the sth2 stuff but before it was the attack stuff. I tried the pivots but hated the brake action in snow.

Not sure I know enough to tell you what ramp angle I like…


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Originally Posted by altacoup

My 195s are mounted with a tyrolia demo because that was the only way to get my boot mounted on recommended. I would never mount a daily driver with demos, but on a niche ski like the powder board it works.


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Any reason to detune the PBs? I would assume I’d be detuning a lot of the ski except near the middle? Unless I got that all wrong


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Originally Posted by ALFONSO618

Any reason to detune the PBs? I would assume I’d be detuning a lot of the ski except near the middle? Unless I got that all wrong


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Detune (like fully dull) the front half of the ski - like from the binding toe piece forward. The back half you can gummy to your liking.


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Originally Posted by PlayItLeo

Detune (like fully dull) the front half of the ski - like from the binding toe piece forward. The back half you can gummy to your liking.


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I’m trying to decide if this is legit or nuts haha

I’m assuming i want zero grabbing in the front because of the RR right? Trying to help the whole “slidin” from the Floss the Mind?


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Originally Posted by ALFONSO618

I’m trying to decide if this is legit or nuts haha

I’m assuming i want zero grabbing in the front because of the RR right? Trying to help the whole “slidin” from the Floss the Mind?


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Helps avoid the splits if you end up on hard snow. In soft, deep snow it doesn’t make a difference.


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Originally Posted by ALFONSO618

I’m trying to decide if this is legit or nuts haha

I’m assuming i want zero grabbing in the front because of the RR right? Trying to help the whole “slidin” from the Floss the Mind?


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Yes.
However, PB's have a slight area of non reverse sidecut underfoot(slightly longer than your boot sole), unlike Spatulas and Splatulas. All you have to do on PB's is stand on em on groomers and ski them like skates. Flatter type run-outs are the most taxing(tiring) thing about R/R imo

Pretty sure PBs are full r/r. Protests have the area of non-reverse sidecut

Yeah, "sidecut" was wrong word choice. It's more like a straight section, about 6"-8"

Recently had to take them in to knock off the excessive rust on the edges and now they’re pretty sharp.

Here is what Keith wrote back for the detuning:
“I'd just detune down from the tips/tails in gradually until you get the feel you want. But probably around 20-30 cm both tip and tail. Really the powboards do well with a heavy base edge bevel, 2-3 degrees and then full detune tip to tail.”

Does this check out with what y’all have suggested? I’ve never messed with degrees other than detuning the tips and tails of my skis.

Thanks


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