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My old MBP isn't cutting it anymore. I need to pickup a new machine . I run Adobe Creative Suite hence am not married to Mac shit any longer. I plan on going desktop this go around.
Would like to keep it around $1K. Monitor not needed. Most of the stuff I cut is from a GoPro 4 (4K) or BM Pocket Cinema. Nothing too crazy.
Any places to look for a good deal?
J
The only thing I can offer is to make sure you have an NVidia Cuda video card with bare minimum 1GB but I would go towards 2GB.
Depending on your level of tech saviness, you may want to just build one yourself. Not as hard as you'd think. New Egg has great deals on parts and DIY combo kits are a good place to start. You'll want at least a 1GB gaming card with good data transfer rates, and at least a 650w power supply. If you're not doing 3D editing, keeping it under $1,000 should be pretty easy. You can also probably load 7 on it if you go the DIY route. Maybe even use the license off your old PC if that's what it's got.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboB...=Combo.1705016
That would probably get the job done. Might wanna get another 8GB RAM chip and another matching hard disk so you can set up a mirrored RAID. I'd recommend that second part if this is for work/your livelihood.
Oh, and an optical drive. You'll need that to load the OS. After that, it's basically a cupholder.
Mirrored raid for editing 4k?just stop posting about shit you know nothing about. That is the stupidest idea ever.
Hm. Missed the 4k bit. Can you do 1+0 on a home pc, or is that something more the domain of servers?
Mirrors don't degrade performance at all, and can even increase read speeds, so ya, I'll stick to what I know about and you can go play with your Mac that you overpaid for.
Well 1+0 is probably not the right thing.
I also said it was dependent on use. If it's your livelihood, having everything redundant and minimizing downtime is key.
If a drive in your mirrored pair fails, (and they do), pull it out and keep working and install the replacement when it arrives. Or just carry on, and do your regular backups. You may be ready for a newer system again by that time anyway.
If you already have some other external storage setup of some kind, I guess this is a moot point. But you didn't say.
Dumbass...
First off, I was going to give you credit for saying a second disk. Damn, you had so much potential and then, as per usual, you had to make a fool of yourself.
#1 - YOU DON'T EDIT OFF YOUR BOOT DRIVE!!!! Unless you're a complete dumbshit.
#2 - OS file corruption of the drive happens in one, duh, both are now fucked.
#3 - Editing off your boot drive and mirroring that is almost completely ridiculous. Oh, you're so concerned about your media yet you're willing to put it on a drive that is being used continuously instead of one that is only being accessed when you are editing?
#4 - If you're being serious about being serious about media, having an internal software RAID, is about as useful as not having it. Pipe burst? Thieves? Fire? Don't worry bro, your stupid raid will save you.
Now had you had any sense you would recommend his boot drive be SSD, his media drive be the fastest drive he can afford hooked up to the fastest bus possible. Then he can worry about the multitude of ways to back up properly.
If you want a smart workflow, I'll give you mine. Cards get dumped to my working RAID5, and 2 bare drives. One bare drive goes in my closet, the other I keep at work. Project files get backed up to the cloud as well as my RAID. All personal files get backed up to the cloud daily. All computers get backed up on the hour to a drive connected to my router wirelessly on a different floor. If I lose that backup it isn't important because the only shit I care about are my personals on the cloud. And I know my workflow isn't perfect as I should be saving to tape, but fuck, who can afford that.
Ill leave this here
I forgot more about editing and the processes and tech behind it than you will ever know. Seriously, let the big boys talk... you don't have to be an authority on everything.
EDIT - and onto your comment about any gaming card... again, dumbshit. He specifically said he was working in Adobe CC. You know what they prefer? NVidia CUDA for gfx processing. If you don't have that, you are working with OpenCL which they are trying to get to work at decent speeds but you'll be lagging doing serious work. Trust me, a new laptop with a high end NVidia card will smoke my 3.33 6-core 32GB system in real time effects and 3d rendering. Ray-tracing is unusable on my machine with my card while $1000 laptop with one can handle it no problem. It's my next upgrade.
So you want him to get and ssd and a discreet raid controller in a computer for under 1k?
Also, if you run a raid using your mobo sata controller, windows sees 1 drive. It is arguably a software raid, but not at all a Windows dynamic disk. Other than that, you make some good points. It's a matter of opinion, so neither of us are right or wrong.
Keep thinking you're not a dramatic douchebag anymore, though. That's cute.
Editing is gonna spin your disk way harder than turning your computer on and off. So, again, depending on budget or skill or what you're doing, you can choose to have a separate physical os disk, but it may not be necessary. On a server? Yes. On a home/office PC? Depends.
SOB is always in his own little world and thinks they only way things have to be is the most pro way possible. Fucks sake brah, OP said he is editing GoBro footage and wants to keep it under $1K. Something tells me he's not pro.
That being said, my advice is to export all clips to your iTunes/iCloud account and then edit them on your iPhone with an app.
If money isn't tight, go buy a bunch of ssd drives. I'd still skip the raid controller and just use the one on the motherboard. Of this is for a professional production computer, then absolutely do that.
An ssd os drive and a raided storage volume is not a bad idea. Without an addon raid controller and just using the motherboard firmware, you're still under 1k. Plenty of servers with raided volumes don't need an addon controller either.
I never said to get a raid. You did. I said what I would suggest (ssd, fast drive on fastest bus I could afford and then figure out backups).Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
Then, I said if you want to talk about backing shit up, you would get serious and look at my setup instead on an internal software solution.
But I'm not surprised you couldn't understand that.
There isn't pro vs non-pro, it's doing things right vs doing things like a fucking idiot. Every video track is accessing your drive whether it is the live track or not, your OS is accessing your drive, Your NLE/GFX app is accessing your drive, your gfx card is trying to parse all this. Working off your boot drive, especially 4k would be like watching old people fuck. Have fun with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hott Butt Mud
External USB3 drives cost less than $100 for big storage. If you aren't smart enough to go buy a couple... I can't help you.
And PS... I didn't come in here telling him he needed to build a $10K edit system. My initial advice was to make sure he had a good cuda card, as that is essential with working with the applications he specifically mentioned. I didn't start giving other advice until I saw poor advice being thrown around.
Never said not to also do some other kind of backup, but I'm not surprised you couldn't understand.Quote:
Originally Posted by systemoverblow'd
No, it's exactly a pro vs nonpro thing. Yes, it's spins the fuck out of your boot disk. So do a lot of things. Your gfx card is not pegging the drive any extra. The pixels get moved from your hdd to your video card and back regardless. You OS gets loaded into your RAM, so it's not raging the hard disk after it boots. We're not talking an Exchange Server here. Dude may very well just be posting on TGR, looking at porn, and editing down some GoPro footy after a day of skiing. He didn't say this is a production environment. With a budget of under $1,000, it's not going to be much of one. No offence meant to the OP, just the facts.Quote:
Originally Posted by systemoverblow'd
Systemoverdouched thinks everyone needs a setup for making a Dreamworks movie.
You dumbfuckingcunt...Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
The only thing I said was essential was a few hundred dollar video card. The rest I was leaving up to him. I never mentioned storage or backup solutions until you suggested he mirror raid his boot drive, which I had to explain to him is ridiculously stupid suggestion. Then you and dumbass continued on to argue stupid shit I had to rebut. Just in case you didn't read my last link...
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RAID1
The RAID level for the paranoid. It gives no performance gain whatsoever. It gives you redundancy, at the cost of a disk. If you are meticulous about backups and make them all the time, RAID1 may be a better solution, because you can never forget to make a backup, you can restore instantly. Remember backups require a disk as well. This RAID1 level can only be advised for the C drive IMO if you do not have any trust in the reliability of modern-day disks. It is of no use for video editing.
Here, I ran resource monitor. This desktop is at least 5 years old. You can see the system process really pegging the drive. OR NOT.
http://www.tetongravity.com/?ACT=65&...9&temp_dir=yes
omg, admins, wtf did you do with photo upload/insert. change it back. It wasn't broken before. In fact, you had it working quite well.
Raid 1 is often used when you have important shit regardless of what it is. Over enthusiastic about it? Maybe I am. Your shit at work is probably stored/backed up on a server. It probably has a raid array to.
Ignorant douche.
You should probably both calm the fuck down... though it is pretty funny.
@JeffreyJim, I'd say go the build a PC route as well, it's easier than you think and you'll get more for your $$$.
As much as I don't want to take sides, I'd also opt the SSD + other harddrive route. Get a smallish SSD to put your OS and software on, and another dedicated drive to have your media on. If you are concerned about backups, fuck the complications and just get an external. I'm assuming coming here and asking for a machine sub $1k means you're not working on anything mission critical.
edit: I'm also in the boat where raid is borderline unnecessary... Sure read times can be faster for a mirrored setup, but that's basically it for the average Joe. At least for me, it's not that common that one of my hard-drive fails, and I need exactly what I was working on this instant....
The example I gave is my home setup.Quote:
Originally Posted by stuckathuntermtn
First, thanks for the replies thus far. I should have been more specific.
I was being honest when I say I work with GoPro footage for the most part as yes, it is a lot of what I do with respect to video work https://vimeo.com/106144270. That said, I did just produce a film that was not GoPro - (Pretty Faces) and have the aptitude and opportunity to work with more robust footage (and real story lines) if time allows.
I highly doubt I'll get into motion graphics work because, well, I suck at it.
Likely I'll build something with an SSD to boot off of and of course, be editing off external drives. Also will be running at minimum 2 monitors.
Here are some questions
1) Do I need a special video card for 4K? (eventually I'll buy a 4K monitor). Should I not worry about that at this time?
2) Back when I was paying attention to this firewire was the way to go (to connect an external drive). Now that's not the case. Do I want a motherboard with Thunderbolt or USB 3.0 connections?
3) I'd like an SSD card reader. Probably pretty easy to add.
I'm not scared to build the machine.
1) I wouldn't worry about the monitor. Hell, I did 4K on a macmini before (but it wasn't fun). Get a good nvidia card with a lot of cuda cores with at minimum 1GB.
2) oh how far we have come. I leave this chart here and you can make your decision. I personally wouldn't work on anything slower than USB3 again. Thunderbolt has the ability to daisy chain like a mofo but the peripherals are still pretty spendy.
http://www.sonnettech.com/product/im...bspeed0829.png
3) ssd card reader?
Props to your Pretty Faces work. Sold out here when I wanted to see it. Thought about maybe stalking Lindsey Dyer, but no, that wouldn't be cool.
SSD boot and app drive and USB 3.0 would be ok. 2 monitors is easy for any gfx card. As much as system is a cunt, he's kinda right about that. Anyway, have a good one.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboB...=Combo.1814711
Thoughts? AMD vs Intel?? 8 core AMD @ 3.5 GHz sounds good...
^^^ also interested in what you nerds think of that. I also need to update my computer soon, and that would save me a bunch of money compared to buying a decently spec'd prebuilt one. I've never built a computer, but have added/removed/moved shit around in the case before and ain't afraid of putting shit together. What would I need to buy in addition to a kit like that - looks like OS and a DVD drive? My requirements are similar to JJ's, though I shoot and edit a lot less than him and am using older non-cloud software. My old laptop can't really do even 1080p video and is slow as hell running something like Solidworks.