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For racing, basically (from what I know). I just started seeing this at races this year.
Opinions? Are there many manufacturers? I've always tried to minimize pulling liners out and stuffing them back in too many times, so that would be a concern for me (am I wrong about that?). Some guys now bring hair driers with them to soften the shells so they can get the liners/their feet in (since you have to tie them first, obviously).
sometimes it is the only way to get into the boot, also helps to hold the heel into the back of the liner/boot
liner on the foot, then stuff the whole thing into the shell.
not for most people, but works great in a tight boot.
I have the Lange Comp Pro 120 with the laceup liners....I have to put them on my feet first, lace 'em up then crowbar my linered foot into the shell. I found using a bar of soap on the liner and shell can make them slide together a little better. Not and easy-in-easy-out setup...but the boot skis tight and accurate with great feedback if you like that kind of fit...not for walking and hiking though...
http://www.sierrasnowboard.com/asset...CompPro(5).jpg
I love my latest generation World Cup ZipFit (the red ones) in combination with the Super Banshee. No need to take the liner out of the shell either. Just make sure you pull the liner up at the rear to engage the heel and then pull the lace system tight. Makes for a great upper leg fit. I've heard some people love them and some hate them. I love them !
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Silicone spray.
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lowa makes a nice lace up liner, gore-tex uppers help in the wet, adjustability is the bonus to the lacing system. works best when taken out of shell and let to dry, so may be more than you want to handle.
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Originally Posted by rabbit
as for lace ups ive been using the Lange "world cup" version in my Banshees and find them the best fit since some foam liners i had way back
they are/were available as "parts" from Lange Canada and i had a couple of dealers order them in for customers (for Lange and non-Lange boots)
mntlion maybe? plus some guys in Calgary/Edmonton/Fernie
that stuff rules. made my life so much better.Quote:
Originally Posted by rabbit
I've had Dobermann 150s with lace-up liners for the last 4 seasons. If you know the trick of pulling apart the lower cuff as you slide your foot in or out, you can easily enter or exit the boot. The only issue I have found is a bit of cracking around the toe dams, probably due to the shell being spread so wide often.
The best way I found to put in a lace up liner is a new product I saw at the SIA on snow demo days at Winter Park this week. The Boot Reps were using them to put liners back in boots. The racers in the Comp center have been using them this season. I used it with my boots and it works. It protected the liner going in and made it slide in a lot easier. I found them on the web http://www.skisnowboardboothorn.com/ It was $9.95 plus shipping.
Why not just lace up your liners in the boots? It sounds like you probly will damage your liners ramming them in. Great for AT boots, not as nice for tele I found intuition power wrap provides more "equality" between sides>
I have the same liners. Skied in them maybe seven days so far. Only getting better. Sooooooooooooooo good.
Shell is a Nordica Jah Love
My old Scarpa T-1's have lace up liners. Keep em long enough and they'll be back in style. I love those boots.
I had lace up liners in my Fischer Soma Tech world cup 150's. I used to put my shells on the truck heater on the drive to the hill and then jam them in. Lasted 3 full 100 day seasons before they fell apart. Awesome boots when you get them fully dialed, but certainly a painful process.
I have had two liners in my Atomic Race plug boots. The first was a lace-up Conformable (the stock liner), which broke down after 40 days or so. The current liner is a Nordica Doberman lace-up. It's construction quality is significantly higher than the Conformable, and, after 11 days, it fits nicely, and hasn't remotely packed out. I think it's going to be pretty durable.
I really liked my lace up quest 12 liner from last season.
+1 For Nordica Dobermann lace up liner. Tough liner with a wicked good heel fit, for me anyhow.
I can't believe you JONGS let a 1 post spammer start up an old thread, and then you post in it like it's new. What the fuck is this EpicSki?
The best solution for putting back liners lace up or standard liners is a product called a ski boot horn. It is made in colorado. Lace ups have been around for a long time and there are a number of Mfgers of the lace up type. Zip fit and Intuition are a cupel of the popular Mfgers. I pull my liners after a race in order that they dry completely for the next day. It is easy to put it back if you get a Horn. They cost $9.95 and you can get it at the web site http://skisnowboardboothorn.com/