anyone hear about this, it was in the oregonian today. i personally would like to see it happen but i can see there is alot of people that wouldn't.
http://www.yakima-herald.com/?storyid=281436279211428
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anyone hear about this, it was in the oregonian today. i personally would like to see it happen but i can see there is alot of people that wouldn't.
http://www.yakima-herald.com/?storyid=281436279211428
If it happens I hope the thing erupts.
Seriously, I would rather it be left alone. What's wrong with hiking for your turns? There is a lot of great skiing to be had on Adams but somehow it seems to me those turns should be earned out of respect for the mighty volcano. It's such a beautiful and wild place, I'd like to see it stay that way.
On the eastern Adams Glacier, looking toward the Adams Glacier icefall. (June):
http://www.turns-all-year.com/gmtanorth/image/074.jpg
What a simply awful idea... makes me a little sick.
Same thing is happening here with Mt. Jefferson and the Warm Springs Tribe.
11 lifts and 3 golf courses seems a little excessive. 1 really big tram would be quite fine with me. for sightseeing purposes only though.....
I didn't know meadows was so crowded that they needed a whole 'nother mountain to throw up lifts and such.
I think this idea is complete horseshit. There are plenty of both ski resorts and gold courses out there already.
Can't they build an all seasons lift up here? like a T bar on the glacier at aly
"The resources don't belong to us, we belong to the resources," he added. "Resources are the giver of life."
Well put by the tribal leader.
I've never really liked Meadows and after reading that I like them even less. Although the skiing there was generally better than T-line when I was growing up, the lifties were pricks, the management was not kind and their lack of concern for the enviornmental impacts from thier expansions has always left a bad taste in my mouth.
I hope it never happens.
Beware the suffix "eco." The marketing department has hold of it now.
While the PNW is in need of another ski resort (try Crystal, Alpental, Baker or Stevens on a weekend), Adams ain't the place in my opinion.
And 'stash hit the bullseye with Meadows: 'suckiest ski area management ever' contender. I avoid the place like the plague.
Hopefully White Pass can make some sort of deal to allow their expansion. I think the expansion borders the Goat Rocks wilderness which is being touted as a problem.
And while we're at it: what about ski areas that border wildernesses or National Parks. Should lift served skiers be banned from entering these areas?
Meadows had been trying unsucessfully to expand Cooper Spur, which they also own, into a four season, 1400 acre destination resort. I guess that in their failure to develop Cooper Spur, they're now turning their attention northward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buster Highmen
A synopsis of the Meadows group's stellar environmental record can be viewed at: http://www.cooperspur.org/environ.htm
I don't have a problem with folks heading into NP or wilderness land so long as the lifts don't enter the land or even get close. But, people who do venture these areas, especially into Wilderness, are on their own. Get lost or injured and you're dog meat. At least you will be following the spring thaw.
Of course not. I don't see how they have any legal standing to justify this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buster Highmen
Well, all that matters is that the tribe dosent fall for Meadows BS.
If it did happen, the crazy thing is the reservation is a different nation, how would insurance and all that leagal BS be worked out? The Native Americans were able to build a casino here that is not up to local codes, they dont pay taxes--the US govy or FS would have no say whatsoever.
Are there any ski hills on reservations in the US?? If not, I am sure it will happen sometime, oil wells, mines, casinos--why not have skki hills be the next step?
http://www.skiapache.com/Quote:
Originally Posted by steepconcrete
http://www.onthesnow.com/ski/trailmap_photos/367.jpg
That's exactly why we need a resort like Mt Adams. The other ski resorts are saturated. On many a weekend people are turned away because of no parking. Mt Adams is the ticket. I'd rather go there than Whistler, if they are going to have the same type of ammenities. I have some friends who are Puyallup Indians, and frankly they are very smart business people and contribute greatly to the economy and to the local communities. Out of the 47,280 acres that encompasses Mt Adams, and also being twice as large as Mt. Rainier. A few acres of ski resort will be a blip on the radar screen when you look at the whole picture. Jesus H, Washington has 77% of all glaciers in the US, except for Alaska. Let's share a little bit people . Quit being land hogs. There is enough to go around for everyone. :FIREdevilQuote:
Originally Posted by Buster Highmen
Washington really needs more ski resorts..
rant...
and I'm sure we would have some if our land managment was not so fd up, sure you can log all over the place, build logging roads all you want. What the see that last bunch of trees hell you can fit at least 10 houses there. Shit look at what happened to lynnwood and north, the place is a super cluster fuck now. Can you say Issaquah highlands. wow we even passed regulation that forces property owners to keep something like 65 percent of their land undeveloped. so what will happen... they will sell their parcel to a developer who will pull the right strings to get it re-zoned and build 10 times the amount of houses on it..
but here if a resort trys to build one extra lift it is a 10 year process, and everyone throws a shit fit.
building a resort on mt adams would be good, I donno about the location though, I would buch rather see one on the east side of the N cascades.
So what ever happened to the resort they were milling about in lake chellan?
ps washingon state worst goverment ever....
I'm not at all excited about opening up Adams... look at all the roads they'll have to cut just to develop it.... I'd swing more support to expansion... crystal is about to get bigger - get whitepass bigger - expand where we've already messed it up....
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Originally Posted by Gregbo
Only one thing that holds back further developement of existing ski areas. There is not enough parking. People get turned back now on weekends. There is already a road (141) out of White Salmon that takes you through Glenwood right up to Bird and Bench Lakes. I think it's a great idea. Remember what they said about Whistler when it first opened in the mid 60's? Well, now look at it. They're going to host the Winter Olympics in 2010. It's time for us Washingtonian's to start thinking outside of the box and be progressive about our skiing. There is a right and smart way to develope areas. Build it and they will come. :wink:
I like Adams the way it is and I don't want to see a resort there. But, if it was built....
BanditXXX is right. They wouldn't have to cut much new road, just improve existing roads. From the South, they wouldn't need to improve anything all the way to Trout Lake. I'm not sure what it's like from the East but probably similar.
If an area that size was built close to my home it would be hard not to ski or work there. The NW United States doesn't have a destination ski area. While I love some of the terrain at Baker, Crystal, Meadows and Stevens it's not the same experience as being at a huge area like Whistler.
I love the town I live in and I'm never planning to move. This limits how often I'm able to visit the best ski areas. If one arrived in my backyard I'd use it.
I hope the Yakmia are shopping this project around. I have a feeling if the project went to a company like Intrawest instead of MHM ltd., employees of both areas would be benefit.
Meanwhile, Timberline is jonesing for a bigger cut of the action:
Timberline envisions new runs, quick lift
The proposed project, targeted to finish by 2006, would open 62 acres of the ski area's terrain that are currently inaccessible
Monday, November 01, 2004
MARK LARABEE
The operators of Timberline Lodge are proposing a new high-speed lift to open in 2005 or 2006 that would serve eight new runs and two tree-skiing areas.
The four-person lift is proposed for the lower elevations of the resort and calls for night skiing on the new runs, nearly doubling the night skiing options at Timberline, said Jon Tullis, public affairs director for Timberline.
"I think it's a real exciting proposal for skiers," he said. "It will add some exciting new additional terrain, which hasn't been added to Mount Hood in many, many years."
The U.S Forest Service is in the final stages of completing a draft environmental impact statement on the proposal by RLK and Co., the operators of Timberline, and soon will be seeking public comments on the idea.
Estimated cost of the development is $3.5 million. If approved by spring, Tullis said the company could clear trees and build the lift next summer, although it's probable that the project would take two summers and be open for the 2006-07 season.
Located between the Pucci and Stormin' Norman chairlifts, the new lift would tap 62 acres within the ski area's permitted boundary that people cannot get to now, Tullis said. Half the new runs would be for intermediate and advanced skiers. They would drop 1,200 vertical feet, he said, and access two areas where existing forest will be thinned for skiing amid the trees.
"It'll be kind of cool and kind of challenging," Tullis said.
More important, he said the lift would complete the vision the company has had for Timberline since the early 1960s, when it first studied the idea of a lift in that location.
Tullis said the new lift would address a natural problem for Timberline: winter weather.
The Palmer and Magic Mile lifts, both above treeline, are often closed because of harsh weather. Palmer, which keeps the resort open for year- round glacier skiing, is generally closed during the winter season. The Magic Mile is closed whenever the weather eliminates visibility, which is about half the time.
"This will give us more terrain when we have to close the upper mountain," Tullis said. "This is sheltered terrain. It'll really offer up a real dependable ski experience at Timberline.
The new lift would also solve a continuity problem, he said.
The Pucci and Stormin' Norman chairlifts bottom out separately, leaving skiers with limited options. The new lift, running between the two and bottoming out significantly lower, would create a funnel for skiers and a ride up would give them a choice of using terrain near either of the two older lifts.
Paul Koehler, special uses coordinator with the U.S. Forest Service at the Zigzag Ranger District, said the draft environmental impact statement will be out for review in the next few weeks. Once it's released, the public will have 45 days to review and provide comments on the plan. The Forest Service supervisor will decide whether the lift can be built.
The study will look at effects on the environment, from water quality to wildlife and plants; whether it conflicts with other uses; and whether it fits in with the overall plan for the Mount Hood National Forest.
Timberline's competitor, Mt. Hood Meadows, is opening its new high-speed quad lift, the Vista express, this season. While reducing the wait at older lifts, the new lift is also designed to serve existing but underused parts of the ski area.
now that is a gigantic waste of 3.5 million dollars. at 62 acres. is works out as $$$56,451.61 an acre. WTF! give me 3.5 million and i'll have silverton northwest done by next winter.