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Myself and Loon just received an order for intuition liners that were the sizes we ordered but they seem too big. We are wondering if Intuition liners are sized big or if in the process of baking them do they shrink around your feet? We were thinking of fitting these ourselves using the guide posted on TGR but are now thinking of finding a professional now that they don't seem to fit like we hoped...
They should feel pretty snug and then feel perfect after the mold.
Are you putting the Intuition liners in Scarpas or in another brand of boot? Did you shell fit the shells?
I've had many pairs of intuitions. I wear a size US 10.5 street shoe and I order a size 10 intuition to use in a tight shell fit. If it is too big, there will just be more sticking out the top of your boot.... it will still fit your foot perfectly.
They'll fit. You're thinking way too much
Another question about intuition liners and sizing. It's probably easiest to ask this with regards to my specifics and allow other people to generalize to their own situation.
I have some salomon gun alpine boots, size 26. I am pretty much a 26 by length, maybe a 25.5 if I push it to the 'performance fit' end of the spectrum. Unfortunately I have feet like a girl- narrow heel, low volume, though wide in the forefoot. Okay then, maybe feet like an ugly girl.
The boots fit fine initially. However, as the shells change only on the full size, these have essentially packed out to a 26.5, and now I have to crank the buckles which makes them hurt.
I am wondering if an intuition liner would take up enough slack to make these fit like a 26 (or better) again, or if I should just suck it up and buy new 25.5 boots, which makes both my wallet and my toes hurt just thinking about it. Secondly, would I get an intuition in a 26, to 'fit', or a 25.5, aiming for a smaller foot size, or a 27, to take up more room? Or what?
EDIT: Oh ya, and which model?
Shortly there will be published an All about Intuition article that should answer your questions. Within the week @ Wildsnow
That shall be great. How shortly are we talking? And will this article be right here on tgr or elsewhere?
Srsosbso - If you want to take up some extra room get the 27. Going a size up seems to help just a bit with taking up extra volume, the only downside being the liners end up being very tall sticking up above you boot shell. Dont go with the 25. If you want the most performance possible get the Alpine Power Wrap.
I have some boots I bought to short, so they downsized the intuition liner from the shell size. They fit perfectly except they are too short even after to blows and liner stretching. Now the intuitions won't stretch into the toe blow. Should I get a liner sized up so that it's longer? Will it take up too much space on the sides of the foot and squeeze me?
hey, thanks for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by wilcox510
their website shows an alpine liner and a powerwrap liner. Which one are you recommending?
do intuition liners take up any more volume than stock liners in the same size?
I bought size 10 Power Wraps last season and had them molded for my size 27 Solly X Waves. This year I went down to a smaller shell, size 26 Head. The P Wraps went into the new boots and fit just fine. Get the liner to fit your foot, not necessarily the shell, imo.
Also I had developed a knot on my shin that bothered me sometimes so I had the liners re-baked so we could create some negative space over the knot. All is good. You can watch the liners fluffing up like new while they're in the Intuition oven.
I have a 27 shell, but for the best fit should be in a 26 for a real race fit, (which just didn't fit me well.) They were fine, but the liners finally packed out to beyond useful. I had to crank down the buckles to get control, and had pain etc. just as you described. I just put Power wraps (the 12mm, not the 9mm) liners in, and skied them today. I was a very happy skier today. Stick with the 12mm foam, and don't buckled down when you cook them so you get maximum expansion of the foam. I bought the size nine liners.Quote:
Originally Posted by srsosbso
I suggest the Power Wrap, its the stiffest.
After having mine baked, with a toecap, they were still short. So I attacked them by heating gently over the electric hob and manually pushing out the toes that were bothering me, and it is much better.You could always unpick some of the stiching too if your toes are hitting that part, but I would be careful there.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
I don't think the toecap used during the intial bake was nearly big enough, though it felt great at the time :confused:
Now I am planing down the front of my footbed to try and get the perfect amount of wiggle room. Gotta love tweaking new boots eh.
When I got mine the liners wouldn't even fit in the shell un baked, but after molding them they fit like a dream.Quote:
Originally Posted by StuntCok
Unfortunately I have to do them again as they got accidentally moved to infront of a hot air vent overnight and one seems to have shrunk significantly
srsosbso:
Alison at Intuition helped me out with my fit questions, and also with the model selection.
She can be kind of busy, but I think it's worth the time. I assume you'd order them direct to get the maggot deal, yes?
Power wrap = stiffest - probably stiffer than stock liners. Alpine = softer, wrap style, and Luxury = softer, tongue style. They feel like they'll be similar to my older stock Solly liners in stiffness.
The Luxury liners come in various volumes, and if you got a 26.0, high volume liner, it would probably do what you need...
that's really helpful. thanks.
I did email them at intuition, no word yet, maybe I should phone?
How good is this maggot deal? I've been looking at some used ones here on gearswap.
I was surprised when Alison recommended a size 8 for my 25.5 falcons, but I went with that anyway. Will let you know how it works out when I mold them (waiting for achilles surgery to heal...). But based on that, I wouldn't be worried about a size too big.
why does full tilt reccomend "not" using an oven and instead use "heat stacks"
Use code TGR15 at checkout when ordering off the intuitionliners.com website for 15% off. Their prices are better than shop prices to start, but you don't get fitting - usually another $25-40 depending. I like Sean at Gerick's in Nelson.Quote:
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Suppsoedly it's better to email.Quote:
Originally Posted by srsosbso
I've got some time and its snowing hard outside and this stiupid conference call is going on forever so I'll answer this question
The Intuition liner will take up the slack. they'll fit better, will be warmer and will be more comfortable. In general get the same size liner as your boot - ie a size 26Quote:
Originally Posted by srsosbso
Caveat is if, like many people you've bought boots that are too big and need to take up a lot of room.
If you need to take up a lot of room then get a bigger liner. In your case a size 27 liner.
You can also cook them and when you buckle up, buckle the boot loose. That allows the foam to expand more.
If you decide to get the Luxury tongue liner it comes in High, Medium and Low volume. If you need to take up a lot of space get the High Volume Luxury liner. None of the other liners come in different volumes.
Which model to get depends on your foot, what stiffness of liner you want, whether you'd prefer overlap or tongue. Since your feet seem to be so messed up, you'd probably want an overlap liner. Since you seem to prefer stiff liners, you'd probably want the Alpine Powerwrap.
Summit - Jim already answered this. Here's another thing to try. Stack two toecaps on when you mold. Ie cut up a pair of socks and stick the ends on your toes then put on toecaps. Or be a bit wild and stick two sock ends on your feet. The liners can mold a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Summit
if that doesn't work then try a new pair of bigger liners. They'll mold to not squeeze your feet on the side unless you get something ridiculously big
Powerwraps.Quote:
Originally Posted by srsosbso
Yes. Quite a bit more volume.
Its possible to mold correctly with an oven but you have to be careful. Using heat-stacks ie a blower oven makes it a bit more of a no-brainerQuote:
Originally Posted by hedgehog
Thanks for all that Lee, awesome help. If I'm ever on a conference call with you (god knows why that would be) I'll be laughing out loud picturing you answering questions on tgr while we're at it.