Rocker 2008

well i know i'm buying a rockered normal-sidecut ski for next year (to complement my praxis....heh), so i figured i'd make a thread to keep track of all the rockered/RC models.

(to be updated...please help)
i think its going to be hard to find out stiffness for most of these, but i'll try

CUSTOMIZABLE CAMBER/ROCKER

PRAXIS MTN Jib
http://praxisskis.com/ski/components...ca07f60445.jpg
Dimensions: 134-111-129
Length: 183
Radius: 26.5m
Camber: 1-recurve, 2-camber, 3-tip rocker, 4-flat
Stiffness: medium mid flex, softer tip/tail


PRAXIS MTN Freeride
http://praxisskis.com/ski/components...c3d7ba35be.jpg
Dimensions: 127-102-120
Length: 187, 177
Radius: 30m (187), 26.5m (177)
Camber: 1-recurve, 2-camber, 3-tip rocker, 4-flat
Stiffness: medium/stiff


PRAXIS Pow Rx
http://praxisskis.com/ski/components...fbb3990348.jpg
Dimensions: 140-115-128
Length: 189, 179
Radius: 32m (189), 28m (179)
Camber: 1-recurve, 2-camber, 3-tip rocker, 4-flat
Stiffness: medium/stiff flex

PRAXIS Big MTN
http://praxisskis.com/ski/components...3623b763a8.jpg
Dimensions: 142-120-130 (minor twin, all other praxis are twins)
Length: 192, 182
Radius: 41.5m (192), 35m (182)
Camber: Rocker tip, flat toe thru tail
Stiffness: medium++ flex tip, stiff flex tail

DP Lotus 138
pics here (too many for 1 post)
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/a...0&d=1168655736
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/a...9&d=1168655736
Camber: Reverse
Rocker (amount): 60 cm in tips, 50cm in tail (two types see "graphic/model info")
Length: 192, 202
Dimensions: 140-138-139
Stiffness: customizable (stiff to very stiff)



REVERSE SIDECUT

PRAXIS Powder
http://tetongravity.com/forums/attac...1&d=1202171332
tip rocker
http://tetongravity.com/forums/attac...1&d=1202171332
tail rocker

http://praxisskis.com/ski/components...9252b36bb1.jpg

Camber: Reverse Camber
Rocker (amount):
Dimensions:
175 cm 121-125-115
185 cm 131-136-124
195 cm 131-136-124


PRAXIS Hybrid
http://praxisskis.com/ski/components...77511c318f.jpg
Dimensions: 132-137-130-131-124
Length: 188
Camber: 1) Reverse Camber, or 2) Recurve
Stiffness: medium/stiff flex

Moment Donner Party
http://www.cdipietro.com/ski/sia2008...%20008.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2262/...c7e644.jpg?v=0
Camber:
Rocker (amount):
Length: 186
Dimensions: 140-135-130
Stiffness: Stiff

Armada ARG 2nd from left
http://www.cdipietro.com/ski/sia2008...1-30%20047.jpg
Camber: Reverse Camber
Rocker (amount):
Length: 185cm
Dimensions: 125-135-133-134-120





ROCKERED TIPS AND TAILS

Rossignol S7
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2311/...974579.jpg?v=0 http://media.newschoolers.com/upload...00738694s7.jpg
Camber:
Rocker (amount):
Length: 188
Dimensions:145-115-123
Other: reverse sidecut in tips and tails, regular sidecut underfoot

Armada JP vs. Julian 2nd from right
http://www.cdipietro.com/ski/sia2008...1-30%20047.jpg
Camber: early rise tip
Rocker (amount):
Length:
Dimensions:
Other: (looks to be) reverse sidecut in tips and tails, regular sidecut underfoot

Volkl Kuro - leftmost ski
http://www.cdipietro.com/ski/sia2008...1-29%20001.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2387/...b60c7d.jpg?v=0
Camber: Reverse Camber throughout, nto rockere tips/tails
Rocker (amount):
Length: 185
Dimensions:164-132-139

Volkl Chopstick- 2nd from right
http://media.newschoolers.com/upload...7/DSC03458.jpg
Camber:
Rocker (amount):
Length: 185
Dimensions:148-128-148

Moment Bibby Pro (replaces Melee in 2008)
http://www.cdipietro.com/ski/sia2008...1-30%20010.jpg
Camber:rockered tips and tails, (no camber underfoot?)
Rocker (amount):
Length: 186cm
Dimensions: 143-115-134
Stiffness: floppy in '07, (rumored to be) soft but not floppy in '08

4FRNT EHP
http://www.cdipietro.com/ski/sia2008...1-30%20019.jpg
tips
camber
tail
Camber: rockered tips and tails
Rocker (amount):
Length:193, 186, 176
186
129-116-123
Radius: 40
effective edge: 134
weight: 5 lbs

DP Lotus 120
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/a...1&d=1142393272
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/a...1&d=1142393272
Camber: (looks to be zero underfoot)
Rocker (amount): (190) 27cm in tip, 14cm in tail
Length: 178, 190, 200
Dimensions: 140-120-125
Stiffness: customizable (stiff to very stiff)

Moment M1 Rocker
http://www.cdipietro.com/ski/sia2008...1-29%20007.jpg
Camber:
Rocker (amount):
Length: 192
Dimensions:
Stiffness: stiff

BD megawatt
http://www.skipass.com/photos/news/22044/24734.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2334/...c324f7.jpg?v=0
Camber:
Rocker (amount):
Length:
Dimensions:

Faction Royale
http://snowmediazone.com/the_zone/da..._183Royale.jpg
Camber: 15mm rocker which extends for 300mm into the ski at the tip and tail. Underfoot is flat.
Rocker (amount):
Length:183cm
Dimensions: 142/112/132

LINE EP Pros
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2194/...59502b.jpg?v=0 http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2010/...a99292.jpg?v=0
Camber: rockered tips and tails, (no camber underfoot?)
Rocker (amount):
Length: 185 cm
Dimensions: 153-127-150
Stiffness: decent non-rockered, softest tips/tails imaginable

k2 Hellbent - on left
http://www.cdipietro.com/ski/sia2008...1-29%20011.jpg
Camber: rockered tips and tails, (no camber underfoot?)
Rocker (amount):
Length: 169, 179, 189
Dimensions: 150-122-141
Stiffness: less soft EP






ROCKERED TIPS ONLY

186 BRO Rocker
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/a...4&d=1200871707
http://www.tetongravity.com/forums/a...5&d=1200871707
Camber: 2-3mm underfoot
Rocker: 10mm in tip
Length: 186
Dimensions: 140-112-120 ~35m avg radius
Stiffness: stiff

Faction Thirteen
http://snowmediazone.com/the_zone/da...91Thirteen.jpg
Camber: rockered tip only, the ski is entirely flat throughout the rest of the ski.
Rocker (amount):
Length: 191cm
Dimensions: 142/112/132

Solly Rocker
http://www.cdipietro.com/ski/sia2008...1-30%20041.jpg http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2333/...dc679a.jpg?v=0
Camber: non-twin with large nose-rocker
Rocker:
Length: 192
Dimensions: 147-127-137
Turning Radius: 48.5 m

Salomon Czar middle
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2109/...0a53f6cfc6.jpg
Camber: twi tip w/ medium nose rocker
Rocker (amount):
Length: 181cm:
Dimensions:131-111-121

Salomon Lord right
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2109/...0a53f6cfc6.jpg
Camber: twin tip with small noserocker
Rocker (amount):
Length: ????
Dimensions:????

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2197/...aec20785be.jpg

heres a couple vids showing them off (in some crazy foreign language):

For Armada, The ANT is normal camber/sidecut, the ARG is reverse sidecut/camber. The JP vs Julian (2nd from the right with bright graphics) I'm not sure of, in a video it looks like flat underfoot with rocker or early rise.

Also, Dynastar Huge Trouble (140 - 115 - 130) in I think 186cm

I loooove the BROcker graphics!

K2 Seth: goes to 105mm underfoot, regular side cut, slight rocker


4FNT EHP: I thought the 193 is not rockered while the 18X is. :confused:


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All I know is that too many skis are using the word rocker.

Some of these companies are going crazy with the rocker. The Megawatts and EP Pros have a shitload of it. I'm very curious at which point you start getting diminishing returns on rocker... Obviously the more there is, the less stable the skis are as the snow gets denser. Whats the point of traditional sidecut if you're making such a powder-only ski with so much rocker?

The Praxis proves that only minimal rocker/reverse camber is necessary to take advantage of the concept.

Tip rocker:
http://tetongravity.com/forums/attac...1&d=1202171332

Tail rocker:
http://tetongravity.com/forums/attac...1&d=1202171332

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Originally Posted by gramboh

For Armada, The ANT is normal camber/sidecut, the ARG is reverse sidecut/camber. The JP vs Julian (2nd from the right with bright graphics) I'm not sure of, in a video it looks like flat underfoot with rocker or early rise.

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JJ has reverse camber. By looking at the catalog, it seems very very much like the Rossi S7.

isn't the new czar rockered? I think that's the ski I'm looking at for next year provided they aren't too soft.

moment bibby pro will replace the melees and have some rocker.

Lax, I did my homework and found out some basic info about the skis you already posted.
Here it is:

Praxis:

175 cm 121-125-115
185 cm 131-136-124
195 cm 131-136-124

Salomon Rocker

192 cm 147-127-137 48.5 m turning radius

EP Pro

185 cm 153-127-150

Hellbent

169, 179, 189 cm 150-122-141
23 m at 179cm turning radius

ARG

185cm 125-135-133-134-120 (kind of annoying to post, so): 125-133-120

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Originally Posted by DePierre

moment bibby pro will replace the melees and have some rocker.

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True. The Bibby comes in a 186 with the dimensions of 143-115-134.

EHP186 is the most awesomest bestest thing ever designed that wasn't a full reverse reverse.

Interested in the Rossi S7, the Armada JJ's and some Praxis i saw in the Quiver thread that had rocker but a tradional sidecut (anyone know anything more?). Flex will be the determining factor on my purchase, anyone know the flex of any of these skis? Its between Praxis and ARG's for my tree pow ski.

what are the dimensions on the bro rocker? I read the thread on them but didnt see anything

nice thread...you read my mind

Black Diamond has one coming out too, forgot what it's called.

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Originally Posted by El Chupacabra

Black Diamond has one coming out too, forgot what it's called.

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Isn't that the Megawatt?

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Originally Posted by lax

well i know i'm buying a rockered normal-sidecut ski for next year (to complement my praxis....heh), so i figured i'd make a thread to keep track of all the rockered/RC models.

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I skied both my Praxis and some demo BROckers on Sunday at Solitude, and I'll never own both. Each was a ton of fun and I'd have no clue which one to pick in the morning, both did some thing incredibly well with Bros being slightly more versatile. My ideal ski would be a 186-190 traditional sidecut + rocker that's 120 underfoot, but the Praxis would have to go then (and I would hate to get rid of them, I went from having some real doubts about them based on my experiences last year to completely sold on reverse/sidecut in a matter of about 5 runs in some real deep stuff).

It's exciting to see tweaked camber and sidecut going mainstream. There will be tons of options next year.

I really think there is room in a quiver for multiple rockered boards. If you are in the BC a lot and don't care about groomer performance that much anyway, I think you could have 2-3 variations without "overlap".

One groomer hardpack do everything ski then have the rest rockered cause it's sooo much fun!!

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Originally Posted by lax

so i figured i'd make a thread to keep track of all the rockered/RC models.

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this is what i had in mind when i posted all of those rocker pix. you ran with the idea. nice work.

Shane McConkey's gotta be like, "Dude."

Faction Thirteen. Gets some rocker for next year... tip only, the ski is entirely flat throughout the rest of the ski. 191cm – 142/112/132

http://snowmediazone.com/the_zone/da...91Thirteen.jpg

Faction Royale. 15mm rocker which extends for 300mm into the ski at the tip and tail. Underfoot is flat. 183cm - 142/112/132

http://snowmediazone.com/the_zone/da..._183Royale.jpg

The Faction Collective

The 186 EHP is 124 x 113 x 118. For next year, I believe the whole EHP line will feature an early rise tip and tail like the 186 for this year does.

Skied my EHP 186's at Mammoth this weekend in lots of pow and almost came. They are also easy to manage on groomers and in wind buff chutes. Unbelievable ski.

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Originally Posted by Infantile Egomaniac

I skied both my Praxis and some demo BROckers on Sunday at Solitude, and I'll never own both. Each was a ton of fun and I'd have no clue which one to pick in the morning, both did some thing incredibly well with Bros being slightly more versatile. My ideal ski would be a 186-190 traditional sidecut + rocker that's 120 underfoot, but the Praxis would have to go then (and I would hate to get rid of them, I went from having some real doubts about them based on my experiences last year to completely sold on reverse/sidecut in a matter of about 5 runs in some real deep stuff).

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well they're stil battling, but right now its between the BROker and EHP for my "normal" ski. i'm going to be buming at alta, skiing everyday. praxis for straightpowdays, BRO/EHP for the super chopped up mank in the days after, praxis for hucking, bro/EHP for normal/high pressure days. i rode praxis for all of december pretty much everyday at alta and had no problem. they were hard to ski fast maching gs turns through bumps, but i was learning. drew can do it, so it's possible, you just gotta put in the time. i'm sure i could ski a bro rocker/EHP everday, but slarves are way too much fucking fun.

one fo them is going to get dukes and will be the touring ski, probably the EHP/BROker

EDIT-list updated.