Dropping in on top of Groups/Booting up behind another group

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fact.

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Canadian huts in the tenure system do not work like the huts on USFS land in the US.

Unguided groups not knowing the rules, not following rules, or being perceived to take too high of risks make it harder and harder to get an unguided booking in Canada, which is frustrating for other unguided groups who really really really don't want to have to be guided.

Of course, that problem set has very little to do with the main topic of this thread.

[subtle plague]

Gatekeeping, localism, and trailhead beat-downs all need to come back into fashion.

YES. and the lines around a basin could be regulated by the "dick eaters". Wearing matching Outfits like in hawaii at Pipeline

[subtle plague]

Huh...I sure do my best to never drop in on anyone. Even in ski areas like Engelberg. It is hard on the Laub sometimes.


If someone is far ahead I don't go to the same objective. If someone dropped in on me after I dropped in first and was visible, I'd teach them some manners.
If people crawled up after me I'd grudgeingly wait another hour at the top, hopefully in the sun. Without wind. [emoji3]


More interesting in Europe is: many people on the same slope. Avoidable while touring( if you're not skiing the boring Standard Autobahn routes).

Not so much if you're first in the Rotair tram [emoji3]

[Foggy_Goggles]

@North thread drift is one of the few thinks we've got left

Canada...where they do most thinks better including the extremes of calling the cops on BC skiers and Totally Fuckin' Cowboy. Us Americans really need to step it up in the latter and minimize the former.

...and Scandos in Engleburg is also a worthy topic.

Sent from a 6 m/s face melting thermal

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Nice flex. I didn't feel the need to get into it at the time but I'll bite. Apologies in advance for threadrift.

Here's the thread: https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...-etiquette-etc

My "whining", and your "callout" included.





Our group was indeed (gasp) "unguided Americans." If it matters, the group included 4 professional guides, and 1 professional avalanche forecaster.

Members of my party (not me) skied northerlys on the edge of "your" tenure on day 1. We were then contacted by GAH who told us we could not ski outside of our "hut tenure." This was the first time we'd heard of hut tenure and the invisible boundary between the huts.

Later in the trip, members of my party (not me) triggered a D3(!?) from an alpine ridge that separates the two huts. I was told there was no intention to drop to the Sunrise side, and that the slide was triggered when one of them stepped off the ridge to take a leak. Maybe that was a BS cya story, but I believed them given that in my recollection the Sunrise side was a solar aspect (those were skiing poorly) and the Meadow side was more northerly.

A member of my party did develop an abscessed tooth. He asked for medical advice over the radio, looked at the price of the heli evac, and toured out to the road solo.

GAH did threaten to fly in the RCMP and remove us from the hut (!) if we continued to ski outside of "our tenure". We continued to ski well outside of "our tenure," but stopped visiting the edge of the Sunrise zone, given the active guard (guide).

You call it "poaching," I call it backcountry skiing. The GAH trip was the first and only time I've encountered this scenario. I could understand your guide's annoyance if we were skiing out your front door. We felt the edges were in play, and based on our interactions with other adjacent groups (or lack thereof), the conflict with your group seemed to be an outlier.

I believe the traditional way to settle this is with a ski off. I'm in America, but will travel to compete. If we compete in your country, you'll have to let me know which slopes are approved for backcountry skiing.

This is not thread drift cuz this is totally skiing/ being above another group in addition to being where you were told not to be

The guide and his assistant are pro's who run trips into GAH all the time and they were really good, they booked the hut, they paid the bill and they were calling the shots, for some reason it seemed relevant to the assistant who said " those are unguided americans " which is probaly neither here nor there but one would think if you had that many " pros " you would know better

You can't say you didnt know cuz this was not the middle of nowhere, you booked a hut in the GAH tenure a valley which will have 60+ skiers stacked up in it all winter long and you knew this cuz changover was a gong show, there are 4 huts with 4 areas stacked on top of one another, the maps have clear lines of the 4 area's attached to the 4 huts so you were told once not to ski outside your area and then you go outside your area a 2nd time and kick off a big slide , not only were you skiing above another party you were not suposed to be there and were told not to go there

there was no intention to ski the sunrise side cuz it was impossible due to the the big fucking sheer cliff
I was in the bottom of that valley when they kicked off the top and it was more than someone taking a pee over the edge, we could see a boot pack around the peak, the guide said they must have went around the peak where they were not suposed to be in hopes of a better line for the ski down and kicked it off

Your " back country skiing " had the guides pissed at you and GAH pissed at you enough to threaten bringing in the federales which is pretty serious shit as BC huts in BC goes

[adrenalated]

So we doing the ski off, or what?

Will all the brofessional guides from both parties be participating as well?

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well include the hut keeper who was big guy and the cook who was a hot weightlifting gal I duno if they stand a chance, in any case they certianly didnt look very good or sound real smart on the radio, the duh factor was heavy

[Foggy_Goggles]

I feel Unguided American is redundant . I'll wear that badge with pride.

Can you please call them Mounties, it fits the vibe better

Tomorrow in the anniversary of the only actually TGR winner takes all ski off ever at Corn Harvest

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well they are Canada's federal police so they all go thru the 26 week paramilitary training in Regina, i could just see them marching off the chopper wearing the red serge to kick North out of the GAH tenure for tresspassing and kicking off an aviy from overhead which was kind of cool but only cuz i wasn't under it

[Foggy_Goggles]

If you say so...or maybe not? Is there precedent? It certainly adds a bit of context to the Quandry Incident. Perhaps they should have called 911.

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i think once GAH say you have broken enough rules to get the boot you would be tresspassing but i don't know if the mounties could goosestep in all that pow ?

I duno if you been there but for the back country GAH is a busy place when we landed half a doz sledders were ripping around the lodge so the guide went out an said hey we are trying to run a ski week here and they left

busy

[Foggy_Goggles]

Negative on GAH, but I've been to a handful of huts in BC guided and not...but I certainly identify as an Unguided American.

I'm just responding to your claim that your guides were gonna call the cops on North's group and that they would have somehow been removed from their hut trip. I am wondering about the mechanics of that and if it has ever happened.

[adrenalated]

The Mounties can't enforce shit at the lodges, they can't get the horses into the helicopter

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[Bunion 2020]

The Mounties can't enforce shit at the lodges, they can't get the horses into the helicopter

fact

Do you have any fucking idea what horseshoes would do to the inside of a Helicopter?

Sometimes the sheer ignorance of this place is astounding. Sheesh!

















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