OFFICIAL I70 BITCH THREAD....

[GPP33]

2WD with studless snows is more capable than AWD with all-seasons. A good all-season with sufficient tread is only marginal in any sort of snow or ice. Now go and put some good snow tires on a Subaru and you've got yourself an unstoppable I-70 cruiser (until a bunch of idiots start crashing in to each other - or you).

We're running snows (no studs) on my wife's subaru. "Unstoppable" is not the word I'd use to describe it. It's the only vehicle I have ever gotten stuck. Sure I was trying to drive through a 2' deep wind drift but it still didn't make it. For plowed roads it does fine but really no better than my truck, does better on fuel though so for long trips it's a little nicer.

[bean]

We're running snows (no studs) on my wife's subaru. "Unstoppable" is not the word I'd use to describe it. It's the only vehicle I have ever gotten stuck. Sure I was trying to drive through a 2' deep wind drift but it still didn't make it. For plowed roads it does fine but really no better than my truck, does better on fuel though so for long trips it's a little nicer.

Fair enough, "unstoppable on moderately maintained roads" might have been more appropriate. Not much tires can do when you get high centered, especially if you have open differentials (as things are going these days).

[Danno]

In order of most importance to least in snow driving:

DRIVER
Tires
Drivetrain

Regardless, the point isn't which is better, the point is that we should have a law that results in tickets/big fines when someone is stuck on I-70 and has inadequate equipment. So, if you have mad skillz and a RWD with bald tires but never get stuck, you won't ever get a ticket.

[bamboocoreONLY]

We're running snows (no studs) on my wife's subaru. "Unstoppable" is not the word I'd use to describe it. It's the only vehicle I have ever gotten stuck. Sure I was trying to drive through a 2' deep wind drift but it still didn't make it. For plowed roads it does fine but really no better than my truck, does better on fuel though so for long trips it's a little nicer.

this is probably the most obvious statement in this thread.

DUH.

[Benny Profane]

Hey, Consumer Reports sez the Tesla is the best overall car, so, no problem. Pass a law that requires Teslas, not chains.

[capulin overdrive]

Chains for all 2WD, you fwd guys can suck my balls.


You know damn well if you leave the door open for fwd, it will get abused just like it is now.

[GPP33]

this is probably the most obvious statement in this thread.

DUH.

You'd be amazed how many times I hear them referred to as snowmobiles. There's really nothing too special about them.

[hatchgreenchile]

Have they ever put a price tag on 3 lanes both directions, IS to US40 junction?
About 20 miles total of roadway to upgrade to 3 lanes, improve interchanges and redesign some of the curves.

[Below Zero]

You'd be amazed how many times I hear them referred to as snowmobiles.

I coined this term back in the early 2000s. And it wasn't any Subaru; it was specifically a WRX with snow tires. The "special" includes manual transmission, symmetrical AWD and the limited slip differential.

[Dufforito]

I really think I70's main problem is too many cars on the road. Add in any weather and it's a flat out mess. Tire condition, driver and type of drive system impacts the conjestion I assume, but just too many cars on the road.

I don't know what a solution could be and I think it is going to get worse before it gets better. I doubt Colorado has the money for a major capcity change to I70.

[Rideski]

MPG. FWD is hands down the winner. For what Colorado has to offer, unless you're running a snow plow business, FWD with snow tires and a little bit of brain function will get you through just fine. If you don't mind the noise of studs and staying on maintained roads then you can probably even turn off that brain function.

We often roll up I-70 in my friends Jetta TDI pulling down 50 MPG. Can't do that in my truck. She's never had a problem and she runs non-studded snow tires. She's the exception though.

My reasoning isn't for accidents, you can't fix stupid. It's for getting started once you have to stop on an incline. Accidents kick off the clusterfuck, spinning tires keep it going on for hours.

Certainly MPG is a valid reason.
So then if money were no object you would drive an awd or 4wd?
So we're traffic jamming to saving a few dinosaurs and letting people save a bit on gas?

And a Jetta against a 4wd truck is not a fair mpg comparison.
I have a friend with a compact Nissan where you can flip a switch for fwd or awd.
I have not looked, but there have to be a lot of those options out there.

So anyway, fwd fan or not. If the message board said chains or snow tires ALL vehicles, you can choose to carry them or not. Mess up, get a fine. Don't mess up, oh well.

Seems like it would have some positive effect and is free to implement.

What other free ideas are on the table?

[MakersTeleMark]

What other free ideas are on the table?

Stay home.

[newbreak]

Probably should earmark the weed taxes collected directly into I70 solution, who needs schools anyways?

[Rideski]

Stay home.

Financially feasible, mentally moronic.

I had a nice ski day today, and a week day or two each week all season, but hey if it snows on Saturday and I want to ski...


eta:
Here is the suggestion page:

http://www.cotrip.org/contactUs.htm

[The SnowShow]

Dumping east of the tunnel...multiple car accidents and I70 closed, of course. Can anyone fucking drive in snow anymore??!!