PARK CITY (and all) SKI PATROLLERS DESERVE MORE.

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  • schindlerpiste
    Quatsch!
    • Sep 2005
    • 13490

    #1

    PARK CITY (and all) SKI PATROLLERS DESERVE MORE.

    A recent article in the Park Record:
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    I would like to see the patrollers start at $25 with a bonus at season end, that increases to maybe $35-40 for seasoned pros (5+ years in). Health benes. immediately
    “How does it feel to be the greatest guitarist in the world? I don’t know, go ask Rory Gallagher”. — Jimi Hendrix
  • new yabyum
    Registered User
    • Dec 2008
    • 742

    #2
    The Patrol skill set deserves a a nice pay raise. I wouldn't ski PCMR with out patrol and neither should you.

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    • m2711c
      user, registered
      • Jan 2017
      • 9823

      #3
      snowmakers could use a raise as well…


      fact.

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      • Buzzworthy
        Registered Stoner
        • Oct 2003
        • 15391

        #4
        A dollar more an hour than dishwashers.
        Walk right out patrol, now.
        "boobs just make the world better really" - Woodsy

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        • skiJ
          Registered User
          • Oct 2005
          • 3170

          #5
          wasn't this done two (or three) years ago ?

          isn't the PCMSPatrol unionized ?

          I thought Patrol representatives negotiated for two years to raise the wage for patrollers to 19. /hr., to have Vail set starting wage for PCM employees ( including Patrol ) at 21./hr. --

          Good luck.


          skiJ
          " ... I will do anything to go Skiing ... There Is no pride ... " (Miriam , 2005-2006 epic)

          Dec21, 2016. LittleBigLost :
          " I think about it everyday. It is my reminder to live life to the fullest. I get up early, go to bed late, 'cuz I got shit to do. Like I said, I'm 61. Not going to wait till I'm 81 to do stuff, ...

          Get out there and do stuff!

          Enjoy life to the fullest!!

          See you on the slopes! "

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          • Bunion 2020
            Registered User
            • Dec 2004
            • 24340

            #6
            When I left PC SP in 1991 I was making the princely sum of 8.75 an hour and no OT until after 48 hrs (some bullshit about us being classified as agricultural workers). In adjusted dollars that pencils out to $ 21.00 an hour however the demands on a ski patroller in 2025 make them worth $ 25.00 at a minimum.

            Fuck Vail.

            Union patrollers at Big Sky start in the 25 dollar range with a lot less skier numbers.
            I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.

            "Happiest years of my life were earning < $8.00 and hour, collecting unemployment every spring and fall, no car, no debt and no responsibilities. 1984-1990 Park City UT"

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            • schindlerpiste
              Quatsch!
              • Sep 2005
              • 13490

              #7
              They did, and they are. When they negotiated that deal, it came with a notice that the agreement was only to keep the resort open and that it was temporary. Now, Dec 22 is the day that they should strike. Let's see Vaill fill their jobs with the 2700 available scabs (Haha). Season pass sales are down. The hotels are filled for the holiday with non-refundable reservations. The strike would last 1 day, and Vail would have no choice but to cave. How confident do you think tourists paying $500-$1000/rm. would stand for a Christmas shutdown, or worse yet, a resort filled with untrained and green patrollers.
              “How does it feel to be the greatest guitarist in the world? I don’t know, go ask Rory Gallagher”. — Jimi Hendrix

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              • Bunion 2020
                Registered User
                • Dec 2004
                • 24340

                #8
                Originally posted by schindlerpiste
                They did, and they are. When they negotiated that deal, it came with a notice that the agreement was only to keep the resort open and that it was temporary. Now, Dec 22 is the day that they should strike. Let's see Vaill fill their jobs with the 2700 available scabs (Haha). Season pass sales are down. The hotels are filled for the holiday with non-refundable reservations. The strike would last 1 day, and Vail would have no choice but to cave. How confident do you think tourists paying $500-$1000/rm. would stand for a Christmas shutdown, or worse yet, a resort filled with untrained and green patrollers.
                Park City Ski Patrol authorizes strike against Vail Resorts
                Ryan Bittan
                17 hours ago

                PARK CITY, Utah (ABC4) — The Park City Professional Ski Patrol Association (PCPSPA) has voted to authorize a strike in their contract negotiations with Vail Resorts.

                On Sept. 20, 2024, the union put forth its initial proposal for better wages and benefits, which would be the start of contentious contract negotiations between Park City ski patrol and their partners, Vail Resorts. Moving forward, they said Vail Resorts has passed “virtually the same economic counterproposal back three times without substantial revisions, despite PCPSPA making significant concessions,” according to a press release from the PCPSPA.

                We are deeply disappointed the union has decided to vote to authorize a strike after refusing to negotiate in good faith or discuss mediation on Thursday, and this approach does not acknowledge that Park City Mountain patrol wages have increased more than 50% in the past four seasons to an average wage of $25/hour. We want to reassure our community, our employees, and our guests that Park City Mountain will remain open with safety as our top priority, regardless of the union’s actions.
                Deirdra Walsh
                I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.

                "Happiest years of my life were earning < $8.00 and hour, collecting unemployment every spring and fall, no car, no debt and no responsibilities. 1984-1990 Park City UT"

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                • zion zig zag
                  User
                  • Oct 2003
                  • 10016

                  #9
                  Originally posted by Bunion 2020
                  I’d love to know their plan to stay open. Where would they find enough scabs to cross the lines? Who would know the control routes?

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                  • schindlerpiste
                    Quatsch!
                    • Sep 2005
                    • 13490

                    #10
                    Isn't that the pot calling the kettle black...
                    “How does it feel to be the greatest guitarist in the world? I don’t know, go ask Rory Gallagher”. — Jimi Hendrix

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                    • Bunion 2020
                      Registered User
                      • Dec 2004
                      • 24340

                      #11
                      Originally posted by zion zig zag
                      I’d love to know their plan to stay open. Where would they find enough scabs to cross the lines? Who would know the control routes?
                      Hoping it does not snow?

                      Seriously, the control routes at PCMR are very straightforward with very little objective hazard for the control teams. That said, bringing in scabs and then having an incident would be "unwise".
                      I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.

                      "Happiest years of my life were earning < $8.00 and hour, collecting unemployment every spring and fall, no car, no debt and no responsibilities. 1984-1990 Park City UT"

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                      • zion zig zag
                        User
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 10016

                        #12
                        Originally posted by Bunion 2020
                        Hoping it does not snow?

                        Seriously, the control routes at PCMR are very straightforward with very little objective hazard for the control teams. That said, bringing in scabs and then having an incident would be "unwise".
                        So would they go to Gold Cross ambulance and try to find every ambo jockey that can ski?

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                        • Bunion 2020
                          Registered User
                          • Dec 2004
                          • 24340

                          #13
                          I doubt that would cover all the routes.
                          I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.

                          "Happiest years of my life were earning < $8.00 and hour, collecting unemployment every spring and fall, no car, no debt and no responsibilities. 1984-1990 Park City UT"

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                          • skiJ
                            Registered User
                            • Oct 2005
                            • 3170

                            #14
                            recognize the pool of patrollers that Vail Resorts has to draw from
                            ( I suspect management and supervision would be handled across departments, and )
                            pre-hospital care could be handled by other available ( first responders, EMTs, and paramedics ) ;

                            I am no fan of Vail Resorts, but this is corporate operations in the twenty-first century.
                            ( I believe in 2021 ( or 2022) Vail Resorts settled the wage issue for Two dollars/hour more than the union had been calling for for nine months ).

                            Vail Resorts is not going to tell their plan, even if they are put in the position to need to utilize it.

                            as Bunion says, snow control at PCMR is 'straight-forward' , and VR has other snow safety personnel.


                            Good luck.

                            ( skiJ )
                            " ... I will do anything to go Skiing ... There Is no pride ... " (Miriam , 2005-2006 epic)

                            Dec21, 2016. LittleBigLost :
                            " I think about it everyday. It is my reminder to live life to the fullest. I get up early, go to bed late, 'cuz I got shit to do. Like I said, I'm 61. Not going to wait till I'm 81 to do stuff, ...

                            Get out there and do stuff!

                            Enjoy life to the fullest!!

                            See you on the slopes! "

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                            • brutah
                              Registered User
                              • Sep 2005
                              • 4796

                              #15
                              Originally posted by Bunion 2020
                              Hoping it does not snow?
                              This is all Vail Corporate has going for it right now… only a small fraction of the resort is open.


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