Canada Closed until US Gets Covid 19 Under Control

[eldereldo]

Yeh, with two negative tests in a week, one when you arrive and another 7 days later you get to skip the rest of the quarantine period. Probably not going to make a lot of difference to the numbers if you still have to stay locked down for at least a week.

[XXX-er]

Effective October 31, 2020, residents of Campobello Island, New Brunswick; Stewart, British Columbia; Northwest Angle, Minnesota; and Hyder, Alaska will be exempt from mandatory 14-day quarantine only to access the necessities of life (e.g., food, medical services) from the nearest Canadian or American community. Point Roberts, WA, was left off the list.

In addition, students from Canada and the U.S. who regularly cross the border to attend school, along with one driver, and children who are subject to shared custody arrangements, along with one parent, are exempt from mandatory 14-day quarantine.

https://www.canada.ca/en/public-safe...trictions.html

Duno about the other 2 but Hyder is at the very southern tip of AK which is 3 or 4 hrs from the next small town BC, its an unprotected USA border crossing cuz once yer in HYder you can't get anywhere else in the USA or Canada, so it makes total sense to not worry about the quarantine I think there is literaly one HS kid in Hyder

But Pt Roberts is real close to major population centers and the real border, it makes more sense to leave that closed

[altasnob]

When the fuck is this border opening up? I had plans on a road trip through the Kootenays just before COVID hit, and would like to reschedule it for this fall. Rate of infection in WA is about what it is in BC, and I believe a higher portion of WA is vacinated. So what are we waiting for?

They just extended the closure again, for the 14th time of the pandemic, until June 21 and are saying it will remain closed "until conditions change very substantively."

https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/state/washington/article251514358.html#storylink=cpy

[m2711c]

the closure seems very popular with the canadian folks.

[Shorty_J]

I'm canadian but obviously don't speak for everyone.

I think that part of it is "other blaming". I think it's happening everywhere, people thinking everyone else is the danger... and in my personal experiences going in to small ski towns this winter, I felt like the behaviour of the locals was sketchier than where I live in Calgary, and yet at one pub I got turned away because I didn't live in town. The assumption that because I don't live there I'm more dangerous than locals taking liberties with the public health advisories was bizarre to me.

The other part is that it's tough to ask Canadians not to travel and then open the border to Americans... sends a bad signal.

Unfortunately I think the border won't reopen until the vaccination rate in both countries (and we are way behind you) gives us a chance at herd immunity. They say everyone in Canada who wants to be vaccinated will have both shots by this fall... I'd say that's when it might happen.

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[tmokes]

I hope they bust out the vax passport like in Europe. May incentivize more people to get vaccinated. Hell, I wish Biden says $1000 tax break with vaccine instead of sending checks to everyone. That way we can send more message to anti vaxxers that government will leave you alone.


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[danmelon]

When the fuck is this border opening up? I had plans on a road trip through the Kootenays just before COVID hit, and would like to reschedule it for this fall. Rate of infection in WA is about what it is in BC, and I believe a higher portion of WA is vacinated. So what are we waiting for?

They just extended the closure again, for the 14th time of the pandemic, until June 21 and are saying it will remain closed "until conditions change very substantively."

https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/...#storylink=cpy

I would say Sept is a safe bet. They just announced a re-opening plan in quebec and everything is contingent on getting 75% of the pop vaccinated with two shots by August, then we can stop wearing masks indoors, visit with other households, go to raves and make out with strangers and go back to pretty much normal. We're on track to reach that. Once enough people are vaxxed transmissions rates and severity go down and the pressure is eased of our communist health care system. I'm thinking COVID will still be around but it won't overwhelm hospitals anymore. I wouldn't count on the boarder being open for non-essential travel before Sept.

Edit to add, maybe proof of vaccination would allow people to go over the border, but the time to implement a system to screen for that would probably take the whole summer anyway.

[paulster2626]

When the fuck is this border opening up? I had plans on a road trip through the Kootenays just before COVID hit, and would like to reschedule it for this fall. Rate of infection in WA is about what it is in BC, and I believe a higher portion of WA is vacinated. So what are we waiting for?

They just extended the closure again, for the 14th time of the pandemic, until June 21 and are saying it will remain closed "until conditions change very substantively."

https://www.thenewstribune.com/news/...#storylink=cpy

Of course they extended it, Canada is still in the middle of the "third wave" and so is the USA, albeit in pockets.

Trudeau hinted at the border opening once vaccinations hit ~75%, which should be very soon for first doses at least. What needs to change is having BOTH countries have enough vaccinated people that there isn't any risk of further flare-ups of COVID should they allow non-essential travel again. It's completely understandable, as it would be total political suicide to open things up too early and trigger another wave of outbreaks (not to mention it would also just be a dick move to get more people sick for a not-that-good reason).

Don't worry, as cases continue to decline and things improve across the country they'll first open up domestic non-essential travel and then international. Nobody knows when this will be, it's not really up to anyone specific - rather at the whim of a contagious disease and the collective behavior of the entire North American population with respect to getting their vaccines.

Border closures can only be for 4 weeks at a time so that's why you see them extended so frequently.

[altasnob]

I hope Canada is ok with the fact the US will never get to 75% of our population vaccinated. Right now, only 37% in US are fully vaccinated (that's of everyone, including kids). 60% of adults have had at least one shot.

How is Canada going to get to 75% of total vaccinated? Isn't a third of your country crazy anti-vax like the US? Oh well, at least Europe is opening their doors to visitors. Find out Friday if US makes the list.

[The AD]

I hope they bust out the vax passport like in Europe. May incentivize more people to get vaccinated. Hell, I wish Biden says $1000 tax break with vaccine instead of sending checks to everyone.

I agree, but want to point out that it ain't everyone. There's an income limit. I didn't get a check at all this most recent time.

[LHutz Esq]

I hope Canada is ok with the fact the US will never get to 75% of our population vaccinated. Right now, only 37% in US are fully vaccinated (that's of everyone, including kids). 60% of adults have had at least one shot.

How is Canada going to get to 75% of total vaccinated? Isn't a third of your country crazy anti-vax like the US? Oh well, at least Europe is opening is opening their doors to visitors. Find out Friday if US makes the list.

Na even in Alabamaberta vaccine hesitancy is only 25%

..and that’s Alberta

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbc.ca/amp/1.5840497

[danmelon]

Yeah people seem to be pretty compliant here and are down with being vaxxed for the most part. Seems that the uptake is actually quite good in QC.

During the announcement yesterday on easing of restrictions the Premier of Quebec (i guess the governor for you guys?) was asked about people coming from other countries and his response was that as long as 75% of Quebs are fully vaccinated people can come here because Quebec society will be protected and there will be less pressure on the health care system. He has no authority to open the border though, that falls under Federal jurisdiction.

[The AD]

Apparently Canada wants vaccine passports and the U.S. does not. It would be nice if it were a reciprocal deal, but does it have to be? I'm perfectly willing to provide my vax info to the Canadian government if it gets me into Canada. In any event I do think we're approaching the endgame here. I'm guessing the borders will open toward the end of summer. Of course I couldn't have been more wrong when this all started, so my prediction probably isn't worth much.

[grinch]

Thats the way their discussing now. Thats insentive to get your shots as well. No record no entry sounds fair. They need to crack down locally too. Mouth breather in the hardware store yesterday , no mask, talking loud blowing rona chunks erry where. wtf

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[XXX-er]

Someone I argued with said the vax hesitancey would be the same either side of the 49th,

I countered that while we also have the nut jobs bothe christian & just plain stupid it would appear there might be much less

also we don't have any republicans who will not vax for political reasons

Apparently Canada wants vaccine passports and the U.S. does not. It would be nice if it were a reciprocal deal, but does it have to be? I'm perfectly willing to provide my vax info to the Canadian government if it gets me into Canada. In any event I do think we're approaching the endgame here. I'm guessing the borders will open toward the end of summer. Of course I couldn't have been more wrong when this all started, so my prediction probably isn't worth much.

yeah your last guess was a year ago, I am not going to say I told you so but to be fair how could you fathom that public health could trump money ?

And that's your big probelm ... public health eh