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  • Professor
    Registered User
    • Sep 2001
    • 2314

    #46
    Originally posted by Missiongravity
    Throw the first stone if you aren't guilty of ever breaking a rule. I dare ya'.
    Not here to throw stones or attack the persons involved. But even just thinking rationally you know it is not as simple as the news made this sound. Just ask yourself, is there some reason he didnt change his ways after any of the previous discussions with CCI about the issue? Obviously a group like CCI would not want to take these actions lightly. If they were awful mean hearted people why would they work with the disabled in the first place? Why all the effort if they really just dont care? As a dog lover, I feel for the guy. But again, this isnt the same as someone just randomly taking your family pet away.
    "I dont hike.... my legs are too heavy"

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    • sidewall
      Registered User
      • Oct 2009
      • 2333

      #47
      Signed it, how horrible, I hope it gets worked out.

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      • Missiongravity
        Registered User
        • Oct 2009
        • 513

        #48
        Not here to throw stones or attack the persons involved. But even just thinking rationally you know it is not as simple as the news made this sound. Just ask yourself, is there some reason he didnt change his ways after any of the previous discussions with CCI about the issue? Obviously a group like CCI would not want to take these actions lightly. If they were awful mean hearted people why would they work with the disabled in the first place? Why all the effort if they really just dont care? As a dog lover, I feel for the guy. But again, this isnt the same as someone just randomly taking your family pet away.
        I am sure you would have a different opinion of this whole situation if you knew Gael and had spent even just a few minutes around him and Elon. He would never ever have put the dog in harms way.

        I am just trying to help a friend get back his companion/sidekick/pet/friend.

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        • Professor
          Registered User
          • Sep 2001
          • 2314

          #49
          Originally posted by Missiongravity
          I am just trying to help a friend get back his companion/sidekick/pet/friend.
          Understand and applaud you for fighting for what you believe. My point again, was that the news stories on this do not adequately portray what is really involved. The fact that they only read two sentences from the CCI statement disturbed me and they completely glossed over that CCI had made efforts to solve the issue prior to this occurring. There is also information I have from a reliable source about some of the prior incidents that really disturbs me. Bottom line, I am fine with agreeing to disagree as long as everyone knows this is not as black and white as it sounds.
          "I dont hike.... my legs are too heavy"

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          • stuckathuntermtn
            Mutt Wrangler
            • Mar 2006
            • 23088

            #50
            I commented on their fb page, but it get's filtered into "others." Wtf is that?

            And I posted the news story on my wall.
            Last edited by stuckathuntermtn; 02-03-2011, 05:20 PM.
            No longer stuck.

            Originally posted by stuckathuntermtn
            Just an uneducated guess.

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            • spanky
              Registred
              • Nov 2003
              • 2620

              #51
              Signed and shared on fb. I'd write a comment on the CCI fb page, but refuse to "like" them.
              Because rich has nothing to do with money.

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              • miahw2828
                Registered User
                • Oct 2008
                • 696

                #52
                petition signed
                Corner store junkies giving advice

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                • Ted CAldwell
                  Registered User
                  • Feb 2011
                  • 1

                  #53
                  GOD Complexed "DOC" is wrong

                  Another MD with a GOD complex that puts him above the common man that must obey the rules. If he is so freaking important and so in need of his companion dog than let him sell that $6000.00 mountain bike and buy a service dog from one of the the firms that trains and sells them.
                  At some point in his very important life he had to apply to receive "Elon" FOR FREE. He then waited approximately two years before receiving the dog FOR FREE. He attended a two week orientation where it was emphasized that the dog was to NEVER be off the lease. However Mr. "Doc" is above the child with MS, the wounded Iraq vet and the countless others who have received their CCI dog FOR FREE and he dosen't have to obey the rules.
                  Who took care of the dog on the seven hour trek up the mountain. Kudos to you for the effort-but what about the dog and his needs.
                  "Doc" I hope that your dog is retrained and given to a deserving child or veteran who will appreciate the comfort and companionship of "Elon".

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                  • TBS
                    Bearded Sweater Model
                    • Oct 2004
                    • 17059

                    #54
                    Originally posted by Professor
                    ...There is also information I have from a reliable source about some of the prior incidents that really disturbs me. Bottom line, I am fine with agreeing to disagree as long as everyone knows this is not as black and white as it sounds.
                    Your contention runs counter to what a lot of people that know Gael and Elon have to say here.

                    So, why don't you add some color to the black & white, and enlighten all of us idiots as to what behavior was so disturbing? There are a lot of dog lovers here who would be outraged IF there was some maltreatment of the dog.

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                    • TBS
                      Bearded Sweater Model
                      • Oct 2004
                      • 17059

                      #55
                      Originally posted by Ted CAldwell
                      Another MD with a GOD complex that puts him above the common man that must obey the rules.
                      Since you've decided to get personal about this,

                      You are a fucktard. GTFO

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                      • Trackhead
                        Hiding in AK
                        • Oct 2003
                        • 14789

                        #56
                        A thread like this could only turn to shit at TGR. What a bunch of fucking whacko's this place harbors.

                        I signed the petition. I'm sure the dog was well loved, needed, and taken care of. Not to mention, dogs are legitimately used as "pet therapy". Not that this canine was necessarily intended for that purpose, but they are used frequently in hospitals for that very purpose.

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                        • Missiongravity
                          Registered User
                          • Oct 2009
                          • 513

                          #57
                          Originally posted by Ted CAldwell
                          Another MD with a GOD complex that puts him above the common man that must obey the rules. If he is so freaking important and so in need of his companion dog than let him sell that $6000.00 mountain bike and buy a service dog from one of the the firms that trains and sells them.
                          At some point in his very important life he had to apply to receive "Elon" FOR FREE. He then waited approximately two years before receiving the dog FOR FREE. He attended a two week orientation where it was emphasized that the dog was to NEVER be off the lease. However Mr. "Doc" is above the child with MS, the wounded Iraq vet and the countless others who have received their CCI dog FOR FREE and he dosen't have to obey the rules.
                          Who took care of the dog on the seven hour trek up the mountain. Kudos to you for the effort-but what about the dog and his needs.
                          "Doc" I hope that your dog is retrained and given to a deserving child or veteran who will appreciate the comfort and companionship of "Elon".
                          I am sure since you know Gael and how he treated Elon that what you write is truth. I am so glad you went through the effort to create a user name here and post this. We are all enlightened for having read it and I now see the light. Again thank you for sharing this and we look forward to hearing from you more often.

                          Like Telebob said. Shut the Fuck Up and Get the Fuck Out (just incase you dont understand acronyms)

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                          • awalking
                            Registered User
                            • Feb 2011
                            • 3

                            #58
                            Those of you that know Gael & Elon believe he treated the dog well. And I'm sure he must be a nice guy as so many of you are supporting hime. It's not just about how he treated Elon but also how he PROTECTS Elon. Gael said that many times CCI had spoke to him about following the safety rules but he did not comply. Why was that? Here are 2 items that may help you see the other side of the story and the SAFETY of the dog. Until you have been there, most people never consider that "things" happen.

                            "It is with great sadness that I write this letter to yourself and the entire CCI family. As many of you know, our CCI dog passed away after being injured when she was hit by a car. At the time of the incident, I was waiting with her and she was off her leash. As a result of my actions, she died and for that I accept full responsibility. Never in my entire life has my poor judgment resulted in such severe consequences and affected so many people.

                            I have apologized to out dog for the physical pain she suffered and to my wife for the emotional pain I have caused her. I also want to apologize to the entire CCI family for wasting your efforts on our behalf. I have let all of you down and for that I am truly sorry."

                            and

                            THE RULES:

                            Your dog should NEVER be off leash.
                            This means the ONLY time your dog should ever be off a leash is when he/she is in an enclosed area. An enclosed area is a fenced backyard, in your house (with doors closed) or a tennis court (with gates closed) for example. Do not let your dog off leash to swim. Letting your dog off leash in unenclosed environments (parks, woods, neighborhoods, or anywhere else) is VERY DANGEROUS and against CCI policy. Safety first!

                            When your dog is not attached to you by its leash, no matter how well trained the dog; you have no reliable means of controlling your dog. Your dog's responsiveness to your commands will quickly diminish when it realizes that you do not have physical control of it.

                            Remember that your dog is still a dog, and subject to the same distractions as any other dog. It is impossible to predict and anticipate everything that might cause your dog to lose its attention on you and cause you to lose control of it. To minimize the chance of accidents and to maintain your dog's working attitude, keep it attached to you by its leash and under control.

                            This is a leash!

                            IT IS THE BEST WAY TO KEEP THE DOG UNINJURED, restraining the dog from darting
                            into traffic, eliminating pain and veterinary bills. IT IS THE BEST GOOD
                            NEIGHBOR POLICY MAKER, keeping the dog from any sort of trespassing, destructive
                            or otherwise, on your neighbor's lands or on the city's sidewalks. It will also
                            keep the dog from jumping on children or adults and possibly inflicting an
                            injury on them, as well as the discomfort or fright it might cause. IT IS THE
                            BEST IDENTIFICATION SERVICE, as the license tag attached to the collar will get
                            the dog back to you if the dog should be lost. IT IS THE BEST WILDLIFE AND
                            ENVIRONMENTAL PROTECTION, keeping the dog from harassing deer and other wild
                            animals, either by itself or as a part of a wild pack. IT IS THE BEST WAY TO
                            DEVELOP AN AFFECTIONATE DOG, as the touch of it gives the dog definite assurance
                            that it is protected, loved and wanted. USE IT. KEEP THE DOG LEASHED.

                            I know this is long. I feel for the dog being separted from Gael.

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                            • Professor
                              Registered User
                              • Sep 2001
                              • 2314

                              #59
                              Originally posted by telebobski
                              There are a lot of dog lovers here who would be outraged IF there was some maltreatment of the dog.
                              I did not say there was maltreatment. I am sure the dog was well taken care of. The instance I am aware of has more to do with the dog being off his leash at times where it was completely inappropriate, but not necessarily dangerous. I think what gets lost in here is this is a lot more than someone losing their pet. To me the issue is trained service dog had become a pet and was not being used appropriately. The dog was being taken places, other than the hospital and home, and taken off a leash at which time it stops being a service dog. These actions then constituted a violation of the agreement with CCI. So while I feel for anyone that goes through this, it is not as if Gael was not given a chance to rectify these problems.
                              "I dont hike.... my legs are too heavy"

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                              • TBS
                                Bearded Sweater Model
                                • Oct 2004
                                • 17059

                                #60
                                Originally posted by Professor
                                I did not say there was maltreatment. I am sure the dog was well taken care of. The instance I am aware of has more to do with the dog being off his leash at times where it was completely inappropriate, but not necessarily dangerous.
                                And yet, you FAIL to provide any substance to your accusations. Why won't you enlighten all of us idiots as to what Dr Yonnet did that was so inappropriate? Was it allowing the dog to walk alongside Gael off leash while he road his mountain bike at the Bird? Let the dog roll in the snow? Turn him loose on the freeway?

                                If you choose to fling poo, back it up with evidence, or STFU

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