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The Atomic dual strap looks interesting. Haven’t seen much discussion about it here (maybe I’m not looking in the right places).
Is this a game changing upgrade?
Is this a game changing upgrade?
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I replaced the stock non-elastic strap on my Lange RX 130 LVs with them last year, but switched back. I wasn’t really happy with how they sat on the boot (which may be a Lange issue, not a dual strap issue), and I found the flex too soft with them, even if cinching up the non-elastic part.
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I've been pretty happy with mine, albeit limited to about 10 days at the end of last season when I got them fitted. Good variety of conditions though, spring corn through a few late season pow days. Using it with the Hawx Ultra Pro that it came with. I like that there is a bit of give before the stiffer non-elastic part kicks in - it is definitely noticeable when you A/B test it compared to cranking up the non-elastic portion. If there is anything soft I place the top 1-2 cm from the end of the velcro and it helps eat up any variation with a bit more of a curve before the boot stiffness really kicks in. Really nice for resort chop IMO where sometimes you are riding through tracks before hitting an untouched area. If it is a groomer day then crank them down and it feels like a standard strap IMO (maybe a bit softer? I cant say). I wouldnt say I actively mess with the strap on the day to day but it was novel to play with the first few sessions. At this point I just go between the two settings. Maybe only other noticeable thing is the split strap helps the liner itself stay on my shins.
Main caveat is that i'm only 170lb though so maybe the flex works better for me. Probably dont ski as hard as many people here either. I'd say it is a nice-to-have but far from game changer, but i'll probably be pulling them off and re-using for future boots in-place of stock. Mimic pro liner was a significantly more noticeable (and worthwhile) upgrade IMO if you are like me and dont have zipfits. I wouldnt go out of my way to buy it but I am happy I have it.Comment
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I like its adjustability and the rebound can be dialed in to fit your preference, but it’s a bit over complicated. I like my Booster strap better.Comment
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I loved mine and liked that it can hit both the liner and the shell, but unfortunately it didn't play so nicely with my Cochise + ZipFit Gara combo to truly slide under the top part of the shell, so I'm back to a Booster more.Comment
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For those of you who are having "compatibility" issues, what challenges are you running into? Does the lower half of the strap sit on top of your top (4th) buckle or something else?Comment
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in appreciation of you taking the time to be here, I threw a strap back on and took some pics. Foot is in the boot, and the dual strap is snugged up pretty tight:
That outer layer of the lower section of the strap stays loose no matter what.
Not sure if it has anything to do with the Lange cuff shape above the buckles vs Atomic (haven’t handled an Atomic and in pics the strap is always blocking that area).
Edit: in this pic of a Hawx shell it looks like the outer wrap of the cuff that the upper buckle ladder attaches to extends above the buckle much higher than on the Lange RX (and maybe that the inner wrap of the cuff doesn’t extend as high on the Hawx, so the upper part of the dual strap can sit on the Hawx liner?)
Another view of the Lange cuff:
Last edited by J. Barron DeJong; 10-10-2023, 02:57 PM.Comment
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Looks like because the Lange cuff is only one "layer" of plastic up top, the Dual Strap doesn't sit where it should (in other words has too much extra material). You could try to punch new holes in the back of the strap to start it out more on the medial side, then when you pull it tight, it would take up that slack perhaps.Comment
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So other than the 2 pieces being sewn together at the one side, is there anything different than leaving the factory stock strap (non- elastic traditional not the ski boots that come with boosters on them now), and then having a booster either above or maybe below the factory strap- which I would think would limit the stretch on the booster more?Comment
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@onenerdykid appreciate you dropping in here. To follow up on the Atomic dual strap vs Booster topic, I played around with it again this morning with my Cochise boots and ZipFit Gara HVs.
In short, the the Gara HVs have way better heel hold than the stock Cochise liners, but the stock liners have a higher volume tongue, particularly at the top of the tongue. This means that I need to take up some additional volume at the top of the cuff of the boot, and the Booster strap is able to fit between the shell and the liner, whereas the dual strap, being much taller/wider, cannot. I can get a better wrap of the liner around my skinny shins/calves with the Booster than the dual strap.
This wasn’t an issue with the stock liner, and absent this issue, I clearly prefer the dual strap.
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The Professional Dual Strap is like having two straps in one, and it's mounted at one location. With two separate straps that you propose, you could achieve a similar result, but you would also need to attach two different straps at the back of the cuff, which might be awkward.Comment
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It looks like the Dual Strap is sitting correctly on your boot but if I get your point, due to the thinner tongue on the ZipFit you're able to take up that excess volume better with the Booster strap?
It's all about finding the combo(s) that work for your unique situations.
I totally get that a "mono" strap (rather than the Dual Strap) might be a better solution for some of you. You might see some new Atomic strap ideas coming your way for 24/25 that cater to you all
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That’s correct, Matt—it’s about taking up volume. I may look into adding more cork to the tongue this season, and if I do, the main reason would be to see if I can get back to using the Dual Strap.Comment
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I for years have left the stock factory straps on and then taken the booster straps (that I have not permanently attached to any of the boots, just tucked them behind the back cuff for years. It is on top of the stock strap- backwards from the looks of the Atomic. But I am pretty tall and the elastic on top allows for a bit of movement before the factory strap starts to limit the movement further and engage. The way Atomic does it seems backwards- as the booster can't stretch much if the velcro top has little give and the bottom elastic strap would just keep the tongue against the boot front (which should happen anyways with the less flex stock velcro strap.
But I am not Atomic that I assume may have done some flex testing and measurement of the response and flex action out skiing as part of the design.Comment
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