Katana 108 - the resurrerection

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  • Lord Thomas
    Master of the Tommy-HOK
    • Jan 2011
    • 1760

    #1

    Katana 108 - the resurrerection

    A few quick highlights from the WWSRA demo. Conditions: shitty. Rained on and refrozen (think standing water and slush on the groomed runs) Spent almost all of my time on the groomed as the off piste would give you a concussion just from the sound alone, only got off the groomed track a few times for testing purposes. Need to in their natal environment before any firm opinions can be drawn. For reference, me, 5'11 and 220lb. Haven't been on the metal 191 in years but, until last year, did own the previous 190 (plastic tunnel on the tail and slight reverse camber). The 190 always struck me as a capable, fun ski, but kind of reminded me of a big, heavy puppy. Really easy to get along with considering what it could do when you kicked it in the ass.

    Now on to the 108. Rocker/camber profile looks pretty similar to the 102, just a little deeper. Will post pics if I get off my ass. First off, anyone who was worried that they made it too light, don't. Didn't put on a scale but it's no featherweight. Flexes similar to the 102 but didn't spend much time playing with flex, more interested in how it skis. So, with the conditions in mind, on to that part.
    * 184 - Actually, a really easy to manage ski. Much like the 102 it pivots with little effort, decent rebound out of a turn and can be driven into a really tight arc when asked but really likes to turn on an arc. Big sweet spot with respect to how you stand on it. Can drive the tips, stand in the middle, or tailgun and it won't kick your ass. Damp and stable about like the 102, but as you might expect, the 102 is a touch quicker edge to edge and might have a touch more pop out of the turn. The 184 has a big speed limit but, at least preliminarily, I think I got it there a couple of times.

    * 191 - Need more test time but this could be the killing machine you've been waiting for. In terms of table manners it was much like the 184 but there was noticeably more swing weight. Not punishing at all, easy to pivot, could go slow or fast as desired....... Now, the thing that really struck me with the 191 was how strong it was on edge. Like crazy strong....like it should have had WC or FIS printed on the tail. Couldn't/was'nt willing to hit the speed limit on this thing. Maybe it was the tune or??? but the 191 was stronger on edge than the 191 Mantra 102. Felt totally confident putting it on high edge angles at SPEED. Really damp and tracks REALLY well. NOT EASILY DEFLECTED. Can't wait to put it in some deep, heavy chop.

    Overall I would say that it is cut from the same cloth as the Mantra 102, just a little bigger "feeling" and a touch more damp. 191 tracks like a champion. In the conditions available at the demo this new Katana 108 is a better ski than the old 190 in every way.
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  • Undertow
    Undertow
    • Apr 2009
    • 3189

    #2
    LT - this makes me all tingly inside...! Thanks for the thread and info - already told my shop to add a 191 Katana to their order for next year...


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    • Norseman
      Registered User
      • Sep 2009
      • 8299

      #3
      Yup, boner

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      • jackattack
        space invaded
        • Nov 2006
        • 5027

        #4
        I have to disagree with your assessment that this ski is “really damp”. Yeah, it’s stiff and powerful, held a strong edge, but the tips are so light and thin to the point that they’re ping-y. I could audibly hear and feel every imperfection in surface.

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        • Norseman
          Registered User
          • Sep 2009
          • 8299

          #5
          Mrrrp, boner droop

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          • Undertow
            Undertow
            • Apr 2009
            • 3189

            #6
            ^^^^This...! No bueno...!


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            • MagnificentUnicorn
              terminal intermediate
              • Oct 2008
              • 15895

              #7
              Just get the 193 Corvus. No pinging, very powerful and stiff. Great in variable snow like Mission offered today.

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              • jackattack
                space invaded
                • Nov 2006
                • 5027

                #8
                Corvus is more damp, they're about the same stiffness, but the Katana is more powerful with better stability and edge hold for big GS style turns. I've decided I'm not a fan of reverse camber skis, so I'd definitely roll with the Katana if I had to choose one of them.

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                • MagnificentUnicorn
                  terminal intermediate
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 15895

                  #9
                  Originally posted by jackattack
                  Corvus is more damp, they're about the same stiffness, but the Katana is more powerful with better stability and edge hold for big GS style turns. I've decided I'm not a fan of reverse camber skis, so I'd definitely roll with the Katana if I had to choose one of them.
                  You and Woody. Give it several days, if I need more edge hold than the Corvus can provide I don’t want to ski snow that hard. They were great last Sunday and slayed the variable today.

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                  • stuckathuntermtn
                    Mutt Wrangler
                    • Mar 2006
                    • 23082

                    #10
                    The weird shape wasn't too turn or bouncy?
                    No longer stuck.

                    Originally posted by stuckathuntermtn
                    Just an uneducated guess.

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                    • jackattack
                      space invaded
                      • Nov 2006
                      • 5027

                      #11
                      Originally posted by MagnificentUnicorn
                      You and Woody. Give it several days, if I need more edge hold than the Corvus can provide I don’t want to ski snow that hard. They were great last Sunday and slayed the variable today.
                      Dude, I skied a half-day on them in the conditions I would be happy with other mid-fats such as my Wren 108. They were not intuitive for me at all. I really have no incentive to give it any more time than that. It's not like I'm lacking for skis that suit me better.

                      Originally posted by stuckathuntermtn
                      The weird shape wasn't too turn or bouncy?
                      You'll have to be more specific, somehow this turned into a Corvus thread.

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                      • kathleenturneroverdrive
                        Registered User
                        • Dec 2008
                        • 1501

                        #12
                        Sorry if I missed it - any idea on weight for the new Katana?

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                        • rob stokes
                          Registered User
                          • Mar 2006
                          • 1536

                          #13
                          I’m still sad it’s not full rocker, and not 112+. This may be a good ski....but it ain’t a Katana


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                          • MagnificentUnicorn
                            terminal intermediate
                            • Oct 2008
                            • 15895

                            #14
                            Originally posted by jackattack
                            Dude, I skied a half-day on them in the conditions I would be happy with other mid-fats such as my Wren 108. They were not intuitive for me at all. I really have no incentive to give it any more time than that. It's not like I'm lacking for skis that suit me better.



                            You'll have to be more specific, somehow this turned into a Corvus thread.
                            That’s fair. I’m not sure what people are talking about when they say a ski is “powerful”. I get stiff, damp, stable, poppy, light and heavy. What do people mean by powerful? Is it solely a property of skis with camber? I would call that poppy or dynamic. Enlighten me.

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                            • 2FUNKY
                              Registered User
                              • Nov 2006
                              • 10558

                              #15
                              Originally posted by MagnificentUnicorn
                              Just get the 193 Corvus. No pinging, very powerful and stiff. .
                              Originally posted by MagnificentUnicorn
                              That’s fair. I’m not sure what people are talking about when they say a ski is “powerful”. I get stiff, damp, stable, poppy, light and heavy. What do people mean by powerful? Is it solely a property of skis with camber? I would call that poppy or dynamic. Enlighten me.
                              Ok, so enlighten us since you used it first....

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