Moment Skis Discussion

[Kevo]

You are correct--I misspoke--what I really meant to say was that I had a better time skiing on crappy snow and ice with DW104 vs the WC101.

Of course, if that is your whole day, neither ski is the best.

Right on. It's worth noting that I haven't been on a WC101, so can't compare. Good to know you enjoyed the DW104 on crappy snow and ice more than the WC101. Makes me feel better about my purchasing behavior, ha!

[Mynx_Butticus]

Bout to pull the trigger on some Deathwishes, but before I do... Moment's not really one to throw discount codes around are they?

[jbrine]

If your in the industry you can contact them and get a industry discount. 25% last I checked. They do an employee verification with a corp email or paystub from the shop/resort. Doesn’t have to be a dealer, just sharing the stoke of great gear.


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[Flippo]

Blister members get 10%

[Mynx_Butticus]

Thank you both for the tips! Very stoked

[Pinned]

Kinda in a similar spot to Chunter with reevaluating my skis right now. 160lbs 5'10"

I'm currently skiing with a set of Bonafides, QST 106s, and DPS Koala 119s, all of which feel like pretty 'serious' skis. I'd like to get a more playful ski to replace the QST but that would still cover days with a bit of fresh snow. I ski Stevens Pass mostly and am spending more and more time in the trees jumping off of stuff or hiking the ridge - does the DW 104 seem like it'd be fun for that sort of terrain? Should I just go for the regular DW and use the Bonafide for 4" and under?

I recently demoed some skis when I was at Revy and really enjoyed the Black Crows Atris but know that some people find them to be a bit tame. I'd be interested if anyone has any thoughts about those compared to the DW. I also tried the QST Blank but didn't think they were as fun or easy to flick around, especially in the trees, but that was after 8 days and my shins were pretty torched.

Also looking at Devastators, the Woodsman series or the skinnier WCs (maybe even Enforcers), but really interested in the DWs!

I was considering an Atris last season, but ended up on a WC108. I'm really happy with the WC108 and I think it's more similar to the Atris than the DW is. The WC108 is definitely stiffer than the Atris though, so if you wanted more stability it'll probably give you that.

[TahoeJ]

I was considering an Atris last season, but ended up on a WC108. I'm really happy with the WC108 and I think it's more similar to the Atris than the DW is. The WC108 is definitely stiffer than the Atris though, so if you wanted more stability it'll probably give you that.

I’ve owned both of these skis and can confirm. WC 108’s have a much higher speed limit.

[PeachesNCream]

Nah, just a dude who loves to ski and happens to really dig the Mfree108.
Deathwish is quicker, lighter and more playful. Less damp not quite as loose. They can charge it’s just that the light weight and lack of dampness makes them less inspiring. They feel like toys. Super fun ski tho!

Mfree108. Feels longer, more damp, more monster truck with some trophy truck fun thrown in. Slower edge to edge yet can still lay trenches. Heavier swing weight. Gets loose much easier.
If you don’t jive with a pretty center mounted ski then Mfree.
Bottom line. If you’re focus is on more playful then DW. If more chargy with some playfulness then Mfree. If money and quiver doesn’t matter then both! I could honestly see both just for fun. If some come up cheap enough I will probably grab a set for the fuck of it.

Thanks for the input. I'm after that illusive playful charger, seems like the DW104 is lacking a little bit in the charger category but not sure if I'll get along with the more rear mount of the mfree. Maybe I'll just stick with my jeffery. Or do a DW104 + Jeff118/Mfree118/BG/Woods118 and have a fun ski and a chargerier ski. Decisions

[2FUNKY]

Thanks for the input. I'm after that illusive playful charger, seems like the DW104 is lacking a little bit in the charger category but not sure if I'll get along with the more rear mount of the mfree. Maybe I'll just stick with my jeffery. Or do a DW104 + Jeff118/Mfree118/BG/Woods118 and have a fun ski and a chargerier ski. Decisions

There is a few of us locally with Mfree’s. What is your BSL?
The mount is still very progressive on the Mfree. It’s maybe -2 of the moment DW104.

[PeachesNCream]

There is a few of us locally with Mfree’s. What is your BSL?
The mount is still very progressive on the Mfree. It’s maybe -2 of the moment DW104.

327 and GW soles if that matters. That'd be rad if I could take em for a spin. Ah you're right, I am seeing now the DW104 is a cm back farther than the regular DW and the mfree is on the progressive side. Cool.

[Kevo]

Thanks for the input. I'm after that illusive playful charger, seems like the DW104 is lacking a little bit in the charger category but not sure if I'll get along with the more rear mount of the mfree. Maybe I'll just stick with my jeffery. Or do a DW104 + Jeff118/Mfree118/BG/Woods118 and have a fun ski and a chargerier ski. Decisions

Those skis you listed all seem like good options for a charger ski.

That said, for a charger to pair with a DW104, the Wildcat should also be on your consideration list. It is way more stout and damp than the DW. It charges hard and still pivots and slashes easily after detuning the tails.

It won't deflect in crud, which is super confidence inspiring for deep days or days when you don't want to care about what is underneath modest amounts of new snow.

[Mike Rogers]

Mike Rogers, cazdog, anybuddy got more to say on the Commander Tours?

I am satisfied with them so far, but I'm still mostly touring on the Deathwish Tour.

The DWT is a bit lighter, floats better, and is more fun in trees and slower speeds. I bought the Commander Tours for the Banff/Yoho rockies and alpine, but have spent most of my mid winter days in Rogers Pass....great tree skiing or some big vert alpine days that favor the DWT.

I really like the Commanders with 20cm of fresh and a bit of room to play. They're work in deep, heavy snow and tighter trees but perform really well in choppy skied out lines and in the sidecountry around KH on firmer days.

The skis are much stronger than the DWT and I think they're going to be a lot of fun on non-skimo spring days.

[vonn]

I was considering an Atris last season, but ended up on a WC108. I'm really happy with the WC108 and I think it's more similar to the Atris than the DW is. The WC108 is definitely stiffer than the Atris though, so if you wanted more stability it'll probably give you that.

I’ve owned both of these skis and can confirm. WC 108’s have a much higher speed limit.

I thought the Atris could get a little squirrely at the high end so that's good to hear, how playful does the WC108 feel compared to the Atris?

Also wondering whether the DW is versatile enough to cover the same space as a mid-fat ski with its bigger waist. 112 seems big for day to day, esp. compared to the QST I've been skiing, but a lot of people don't seem to mind the bigger size even in mixed conditions.

[Pinned]

I thought the Atris could get a little squirrely at the high end so that's good to hear, how playful does the WC108 feel compared to the Atris?

Also wondering whether the DW is versatile enough to cover the same space as a mid-fat ski with its bigger waist. 112 seems big for day to day, esp. compared to the QST I've been skiing, but a lot of people don't seem to mind the bigger size even in mixed conditions.

I don't have enough experience with both skis to say too much about the Atris but the WC108 is plenty of fun to me - it's really easy to ski, it pivots well, and it's as forgiving as anything else I've been on. That said, it does better the faster you ski - it's pretty stiff. I haven't really found the speed limit on it with my own skiing yet, the ski is definitely more capable than I am but it isn't punishing or inaccessible by any means.

[Sargentdrufus]

The DW absolutely could cover that mid-day space no problem.