Moment Skis Discussion

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

What year did the PBJs change to the lighter weight setup?


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Whenever they went to semi cap.

18/19?

[lemonhead]

Can you expand on the key differences between C98 vs. DW and what made you gravitate towards the DW? I'm taking a hard look at either the DW 104 or the C98 for next season's low tide ski (WC118 is my pow ski).

When there is no snow I love to rip groomers, bash moguls and tight trees, and attack some steep/technical terrain. The WC/DW shape (lots of rocker, progressive mount) lends to a really fun ski in all those scenarios but I do find that while they hold an edge well on firm snow, they are not very exciting carvers unless you have tons of speed all the time and can bend the hell out of them. For reference my current low tide ski is the Fischer Ranger 102 FR mounted +2. I love that ski so much but it's getting pretty beat up after a few seasons and given the new 2023 version is a downgrade (less weight, softer tips and tails) I won't be going there.

Thanks for the help!

For me the deathwish can be driven with a more forward stance, and skied more upright you get slash and get loose. It skis much narrower that the waist when you want and still has the float. When I click in I know its going to be good everywhere. I didn't feel that way on the commander. I also like the ability to use the triple camber to boost off of rollers.

[lemonhead]

It sounds like the 104 has enough subtle differences for me to want to buy and use on days when there is no snow... which is everyday now it seems.

Very jealous of your GTs. If they are the 194 let me know if you ever want to part with them

You know I had to get the 194s...After bugging Melee for 2 years to build them again I cannot imagine getting rid of them anytime soon. They are that good. I imagine that any DW fanboy would easily fall in love with the Ghost Train on a deep day.

[PeachesNCream]

For me the deathwish can be driven with a more forward stance, and skied more upright you get slash and get loose. It skis much narrower that the waist when you want and still has the float.

This is why I love the DW so much, its bipolar. Feels narrower and can do a forward stance on the groomers but ski it centered in the trees and it feels slashy and floaty. How does it do in the chop? My DW experience is on the DWT, which doesn't do great in chop (obviously), I'm thinking of replacing my jeff108 with a DW104 for resort duty

[K1mJ0ngTr1ll]

You know I had to get the 194s...After bugging Melee for 2 years to build them again I cannot imagine getting rid of them anytime soon. They are that good. I imagine that any DW fanboy would easily fall in love with the Ghost Train on a deep day.

I'm currently on a Portest which is a blast but I like to keep things uniform... I think a DW104/DW/GT would achieve this.

[ejj]

DW104 owner here: just returned from Telluride where we had 2 groomer/screw-around days and then three storm days (31"). The DW104 is a decent groomer ski--just don't expect it to carve and pull your around quite like a traditional metal 90-100 ski. But you can stand on it and it holds--you need to ski it a few days to really learn how to use it best. It can make short and long turns, and you can move your balance around easily.

The biggest morning had maybe 15" of snow--and the DW104 was still good for those first few runs of fresh. Then the resort gets semi-tracked and a ski like the CB or Wildcat would be pretty great.

In short--the DW104 is my new daily, with a TBD bigger ski on the way next year for those rare lucky days.

[BC.]

Skied Deathwish today at Stowe……so glad I bought it…..really fun ski/poppy, stable, carves, slarves, smears….another Moment ski that is very versatile/can make many different turn shapes…really impressed how quick it can turn….for a 190.

Now that I can directly compare the C98 and DW……my caveman review:

C98- charger/fun
DW- playful charger/funner

If I was anywhere but the EC….the DW would be my 1 ski quiver….

Very impressed…

[skier666]

DW104 owner here: just returned from Telluride

I was there as well...twas pretty pretty fun on those storm days.

[2FUNKY]

Hopped on my first Moment ski this weekend at the INW meat up.
Skied the Deathwish 104. Holy crap that ski is a riot! Skied it in a myriad of conditions and had a blast in all of them. Never skied a ski so center mounted yet really enjoyed it. Its super light and could only imagine what a heavier DW with metal would ski like. Total destroyer I bet.
The feed back was a little more than I prefer on firmer surfaces or mixed bag surfaces but not a total deal breaker.
Would bang again.
Thanks Thefortrees!

[Kevo]

Is everyone mounting the DW 104 on the line?

Wondering what the reasoning for moving the recommend line 1cm back on the DW 104? Perhaps to make it a bit better for driving the tips?

[SnakeMagnet]

You -really- don't want to mount off the line with triple camber or other 'jank' sidecuts (RES, etc.). YMMV but you don't want those pockets engaging when they're not supposed to.

And yes, for a more hard snow oriented ski mounting a little further back helps in the conditions. More ski in front, more stable; less tail to get hung up on.

[PeachesNCream]

Hopped on my first Moment ski this weekend at the INW meat up.
Skied the Deathwish 104. Holy crap that ski is a riot! Skied it in a myriad of conditions and had a blast in all of them. Never skied a ski so center mounted yet really enjoyed it. Its super light and could only imagine what a heavier DW with metal would ski like. Total destroyer I bet.
The feed back was a little more than I prefer on firmer surfaces or mixed bag surfaces but not a total deal breaker.
Would bang again.
Thanks Thefortrees!

You're one of the mfree guys right? What do you think of the DW104 vs the mfree108? Unfortunately wasn't able to make it to the meet-up but I'm looking at these two for the narrow end of a 2 ski quiver for schwitzer

[jslattsbham]

Can you expand on the key differences between C98 vs. DW and what made you gravitate towards the DW? I'm taking a hard look at either the DW 104 or the C98 for next season's low tide ski (WC118 is my pow ski).

When there is no snow I love to rip groomers, bash moguls and tight trees, and attack some steep/technical terrain. The WC/DW shape (lots of rocker, progressive mount) lends to a really fun ski in all those scenarios but I do find that while they hold an edge well on firm snow, they are not very exciting carvers unless you have tons of speed all the time and can bend the hell out of them. For reference my current low tide ski is the Fischer Ranger 102 FR mounted +2. I love that ski so much but it's getting pretty beat up after a few seasons and given the new 2023 version is a downgrade (less weight, softer tips and tails) I won't be going there.

Thanks for the help!

I picked up a pair of C98s 182s in the off season and have maybe 20 days on them this year. My "normal" ski is a DW112 190. I mostly ski at Mt. Baker. I've been pretty stoked on this as my inbounds quiver.

I love my DWs for everything from pow to trees to moguls and they are plenty of fun on soft groomers too. But I don't find them super enjoyable when things get super firm or icy. The goal of the C98s was to have a hard charging ski for the bad snow/low tide days.

I love the C98s when the conditions call for it. I find myself reaching for them when I know I won't be spending any time hunting for pow. They have no speed limit and they can carve much harder than my DWs on groomers. Edge hold on ice is way above the DWs. I do find them a bit of a handful on big moguls because they are very stiff, but if I'm in the mood to straight line through chunder, then they are the right ski. I also wouldn't choose them for tight trees. They want to carve more than slarve and they bite back when your form is off. I actually think skiing them has improved my skills a lot. The Deathwishes let you get pretty lazy with your stance and turning.

In summary:

DW112 - More nimble/pivot-y/slarvy. Floats better in pow.
C98 - Go straight through all the things. Leave trenches on the groomers.

[2FUNKY]

Moment Skis Discussion

You're one of the mfree guys right? What do you think of the DW104 vs the mfree108? Unfortunately wasn't able to make it to the meet-up but I'm looking at these two for the narrow end of a 2 ski quiver for schwitzer

Nah, just a dude who loves to ski and happens to really dig the Mfree108.
Deathwish is quicker, lighter and more playful. Less damp not quite as loose. They can charge it’s just that the light weight and lack of dampness makes them less inspiring. They feel like toys. Super fun ski tho!

Mfree108. Feels longer, more damp, more monster truck with some trophy truck fun thrown in. Slower edge to edge yet can still lay trenches. Heavier swing weight. Gets loose much easier.
If you don’t jive with a pretty center mounted ski then Mfree.
Bottom line. If you’re focus is on more playful then DW. If more chargy with some playfulness then Mfree. If money and quiver doesn’t matter then both! I could honestly see both just for fun. If some come up cheap enough I will probably grab a set for the fuck of it.

[BC.]

Moment Skis Discussion

I picked up a pair of C98s 182s in the off season and have maybe 20 days on them this year. My "normal" ski is a DW112 190. I mostly ski at Mt. Baker. I've been pretty stoked on this as my inbounds quiver.

I love my DWs for everything from pow to trees to moguls and they are plenty of fun on soft groomers too. But I don't find them super enjoyable when things get super firm or icy. The goal of the C98s was to have a hard charging ski for the bad snow/low tide days.

I love the C98s when the conditions call for it. I find myself reaching for them when I know I won't be spending any time hunting for pow. They have no speed limit and they can carve much harder than my DWs on groomers. Edge hold on ice is way above the DWs. I do find them a bit of a handful on big moguls because they are very stiff, but if I'm in the mood to straight line through chunder, then they are the right ski. I also wouldn't choose them for tight trees. They want to carve more than slarve and they bite back when your form is off. I actually think skiing them has improved my skills a lot. The Deathwishes let you get pretty lazy with your stance and turning.

In summary:

DW112 - More nimble/pivot-y/slarvy. Floats better in pow.
C98 - Go straight through all the things. Leave trenches on the groomers.

Yes..x2...this is similar to my thinking upthread.....