Praxis Quixote - Jumped the Shark or Legit?

[aragon]

So I read some information on the new Tabke-designed Praxis Quixote HERE.



I searched and did not find any discussion on this ski. It appears to be an asymmetrical powder ski with "Offset Taper" and "Multi-Dimensional Sidecut", an idea that Praxis/Tabke has been working on for some time, supposedly. This requires the skis to be Left/Right foot specific, and according to the site "this creates a longer effective edge for the downhill ski compared to the uphill ski, a design that recognizes, and balances, the variable forces applied to each ski during a turn. The result is an incredibly balanced, two-footed platform for the rider, allowing for a more comfortable, powerful and fall-line approach to the mountain, perfectly tuned to take on any line you can imagine."

Legit science or marketing psycho-babble ? Discuss.

[jdadour]

There's been a lot of discussion already in the Praxis 2016 thread, even comments from Tabke himself! Check there.. Its up to everyone else is the Quixote needs a new thread though.

[aragon]

There's been a lot of discussion already in the Praxis 2016 thread, even comments from Tabke himself! Check there.. Its up to everyone else is the Quixote needs a new thread though.

That's what I get searching by thread title not contents... well, I will leave this here and the mods can erase if they see fit. Thanks.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Scotty Bobs?

[adrenalated]

Scotty Bobs?

Scotty Bob shortened the inside edge of the ski in the tail only, and moved the center of the sidecut forward on the outside edge. This ski keeps the center of the sidecut the same on both skis, and shortens the inside edge in both the tip and tail (and by modifying the sidecut taper rather than a big cutout).

So similar concepts but not the same.

[MagnificentUnicorn]

Scotty Bob shortened the inside edge of the ski in the tail only, and moved the center of the sidecut forward on the outside edge. This ski keeps the center of the sidecut the same on both skis, and shortens the inside edge in both the tip and tail (and by modifying the sidecut taper rather than a big cutout).

So similar concepts but not the same.

Yeah, I know. Just saying this isn't a "new" idea. Movement had an asymmetrical ski too, there have been others.

[abraham]

I don't know that there has been another ski like this. I'm not certain I understand fully, but it sounds like on a groomer you wouldn't notice the difference much at all since the sidecut is the same. Of course it could be an experiment with little noticeable effect but it sounds worth trying out.

For what it's worth I tried the asymmetrical Cease and desists in both arrangements and didn't notice much of a difference. But I'm not that sensitive to things like that

[JayPowHound]

The search function doesn't work. Welcome to TGR.

Try this...

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=Praxis+quixote+site%3Atetongravity.com%2Fforums

[eskido]

This is just a guess, since I haven't skied the CnD, but I'd assume you'd notice the asymmetrical dims on the CnD less than the Quixote due to the rest of the design, mostly the massive amount of rocker and how much of a pow specific shape it has. The Quixote on the other hand (while it does look to be more soft snow oriented) looks to be quite bit more big mtn/all mtn design that uses the offset taper much more efficiently. I'd also guess you probly skied the CnD's on a pow day which makes a ton of since why you wouldn't notice the shape so much unless you were trying a lot of in snow switch ups or the snow was super heavy?

[LightRanger]

My old G3 Tickets were asymmetrical. I believe their Rapid Transits were as well.

[undertow2]

I think everyone is forgetting until this year the Ceast N Desist were uber fats with crazy rocker... To me it was a big mountain pow quiver ski and am a fan of ON3P skis, but this ski was a niche ski... Not even close to what the Q is going to be... And don't think the CnD has similar chararacteristics...

[abraham]

I think everyone is forgetting until this year the Ceast N Desist were uber fats with crazy rocker... To me it was a big mountain pow quiver ski and am a fan of ON3P skis, but this ski was a niche ski... Not even close to what the Q is going to be... And don't think the CnD has similar chararacteristics...

I want saying they were similar beyond the asymmetry. I just threw that comment in to say I'm not the most sensitive to such design changes.

And I tested them on a day with a small amount of chopped up soft snow in the shade. Everything else was pretty spring effected. I was with three other posters and our first run was a shockingly shitty run on refrozen groomers. We did one run then went to the demo tent to try skis out

[Sessiøn]

In the past they have used the C&D as kind of a test bed for design concepts since pretty much no one buys it. Funny how it's almost an actual ski people would consider. Much different from it's orignal roots.

[galibier_numero_un]

My old G3 Tickets were asymmetrical. I believe their Rapid Transits were as well.

If I recall the Rapid Transit correctly, the edge that was on the inside of the turn (i.e. the edge under your little toe) had a shorter radius.

Cheers,
Thom

[ARpowhound]

The new K2 Marksman is designed the same way. The Elan Amphibo line has a similar premise. If you are doing butters & spins, it makes sense to have your outside edges short, so it does not get caught, while leaving a longer inside edge for edge hold in turns. So I guess there is some "science" behind the design. Not just "marketing hype". * I have not skied any of these skis mentioned.