Praxis Protest..just how cool is it?

[whyturn]

Paging cascade Luke to the white courtesy phone.


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[nickwm21]

Ive been looking for a stiff, super pivoty surfy powski for myself and Im not sure if the 192s would fit the bill. I basically want a long ARG, that doesnt suck quite so much on the way back to the lift. Im perfectly happy swapping skis in the afternoon.

Im 6' 3-4" 210lbs geared up, and ski at alpental so a lot of my skiing is tight, steep, technical terrain in heavy snow. I would love a ski that is very pivoty and can be skied with a neutral stance, but i need it to be stiff as well so it doesnt deflect and start plowing in deep heavy stuff (big pet peeve). There is only a single pair of 192 flex 3's for sale on the site right now, and i know 196s would be a better fit for me. How much would i miss the extra length especially in minigolf/pillow drop terrain?

Im dont need this ski, but for $550 new its piqued my interest for sure.

I live in your neck of the woods, I am your size, I am in love with my 196s.

Hit me up if you want to try them this season.


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[HAB]

I'm in the Seattle area too, and happily on 192 Flex 3s at 6', 165lbs. I bet you want 196s.

[2FUNKY]

Ive been looking for a stiff, super pivoty surfy powski for myself and Im not sure if the 192s would fit the bill. I basically want a long ARG, that doesnt suck quite so much on the way back to the lift. Im perfectly happy swapping skis in the afternoon.

Im 6' 3-4" 210lbs geared up, and ski at alpental so a lot of my skiing is tight, steep, technical terrain in heavy snow. I would love a ski that is very pivoty and can be skied with a neutral stance, but i need it to be stiff as well so it doesnt deflect and start plowing in deep heavy stuff (big pet peeve). There is only a single pair of 192 flex 3's for sale on the site right now, and i know 196s would be a better fit for me. How much would i miss the extra length especially in minigolf/pillow drop terrain?

Im dont need this ski, but for $550 new its piqued my interest for sure.

I own flex 4 192’s and 188’s that are flex 3. Im 210’ish in gear and 5’10. The flex 3 is super fun and playful. My only compliant was in chop, it needed to be stiffer so i did a custom 192. They solved that issue. I also had zero float issues with the shorter 188, they measure a touch under 187, straight tape pull.
Since Alpental is more of a tight technical terrain type of hill, i think the 192 flex 3 would be fine for your size and needs. You’re pretty tall but not crazy heavy. Maybe mount them back -1.5 to help with tip float and more tip feel.
If your home hill was more open terrain, i would say flex 4 for sure.

[nickwm21]

Adding: My 196s are stock flex.

This is another discussion but... in general, I’d trust Keith with the stock flex on all his models (unless you been on the ski and know you want something different...). The reason GPO reviews are all over the place is because people have been changing the flex, core, rocker, width, etc... and coming up with different results. I honestly think it hurts his business....


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[3PinGrin]

Adding: My 196s are stock flex.

This is another discussion but... in general, I’d trust Keith with the stock flex on all his models (unless you been on the ski and know you want something different...). The reason GPO reviews are all over the place is because people have been changing the flex, core, rocker, width, etc... and coming up with different results. I honestly think it hurts his business....


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It also doesn't help when places like Blister are doing reviews on skis that they don't even know what the actual build is (eg. Praxis MVP).

[whyturn]

I have MAP veneer 3 192. It rocks but I weigh 175


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[meter-man]

I already regret not buying 192 (or 196?) Protests and putting Shifts/CAST on there....but it's not happening for me this year. Gotta attend to my touring and alpine boots. Maybe next season.

Pretty stoked for my plan for my 187 Protests with carbon layup/MAP core, which I use for pow touring -- pull Kingpins to swap in Alpinists. This would be the 3.5th (3.5rd? Or, because it's Praxis, "4-"??) mount, as I need to remount the heels, but the toes share mount pattern.

Anyone on ultralight binders with Protests? Use is touring only. Maybe 2-4 sidecountry days per year.

[skibrd]

Ive been looking for a stiff, super pivoty surfy powski for myself and Im not sure if the 192s would fit the bill. I basically want a long ARG, that doesnt suck quite so much on the way back to the lift. Im perfectly happy swapping skis in the afternoon.

Im 6' 3-4" 210lbs geared up, and ski at alpental so a lot of my skiing is tight, steep, technical terrain in heavy snow. I would love a ski that is very pivoty and can be skied with a neutral stance, but i need it to be stiff as well so it doesnt deflect and start plowing in deep heavy stuff (big pet peeve). There is only a single pair of 192 flex 3's for sale on the site right now, and i know 196s would be a better fit for me. How much would i miss the extra length especially in minigolf/pillow drop terrain?

Im dont need this ski, but for $550 new its piqued my interest for sure.

We are about the same size (height and weight, I might have 10-15lbs on you geared up). I have had stock (3) and currently have 4 flex Protests. The stock 3s were great, maybe a tad soft flying though chop, but super easy to ski in the terrain you are talking about, and the flex wasn’t noticeable. The 4s are awesome too, but ski longer. I think they ski longer because the stiffness in the tip and tail keep the ski flatter and doesn’t allow it to banana up as much, or at least that sounds good in my head.

I haven’t been on the stock Protests in 3 years, but I remember being able to drive the tips more then on my 4 flex. I definitely use a more mid foot/heel turning technique on the 4s, and in the 3s I could get more forward on the ski. My 4 flex Protests are mounted on the line, and idk what my stock ones were mounted at. They were Swiss cheesed and I had demo tacks in them just to get a binding that would fit my BSL.

I don’t need Protests either, but when I grab them, I do have fun. More fun then my 193 or 203 Shiros or Super Freerides, I’m not sure, but I do have a smile on my face. The Protests were the only ski I took to Japan last winter, when I go back, I’ll take them with CAST and a second pair of narrower skis. Touring on them is a bit much and only having them kept me from getting up Mt. Yoti. I’m sure one of you could of done it, but not me in the shape I was in for Japan.

I said this same thing to my roommate and my bro-in-law in the past week about the Protest. They are a quiver ski, you invest in them, keep them for 5-10 years, get 100 days on them over that time, and have a blast on them. They aren’t a grab every day ski, but the days you can grab them, they are a blast. If you can swing the $550, and justify a quiver ski, they are awesome. Nothing else I’ve skied has come close.


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[CascadeLuke]

Can’t add much beyond skibrd & 2F, they summed things up well. Protest rule.
Regarding western WA climate the baseline ski is made by another brand tho. It starts there then protest for deep days would be the ticket. It’s what I’ve enjoyed.
I’d prescribe 192 #4s but those custom days may be gone

[californiagrown]

Can’t add much beyond skibrd & 2F, they summed things up well. Protest rule.
Regarding western WA climate the baseline ski is made by another brand tho. It starts there then protest for deep days would be the ticket. It’s what I’ve enjoyed.
I’d prescribe 192 #4s but those custom days may be gone

I ended up pulling the trigger on the last 192s in stock.

I have the OG 191 version of that other ski by another brand, but that is a very different beast than current models from what i understand. I have a pair of 2014 Line SFBs in 190 that i am still in love with as an everyday ski for the PNW, and the parking lot situation at Alpental means that it takes literally 2-3 mins at most out of my way to switch out skis, so i figured i should give these Protests a shot. Ill be throwing some STH2 16s that i have in my garage on these skis right at reccomended, and should be an ideal Alpy powder setup for me. Cant wait to try them out.

[CascadeLuke]

Praxis Protest..just how cool is it?

You’re in good shape then. Enjoy the season.
See if you can’t demo asym 189 to compliment down the line. You might feel stronger about the updated version.

Edit: don’t be afraid to mount the protest back for nw steep skiing. I ended up finding -2 working best for me here. -1.4 was fine too.

[Muggydude]

I’d also recommend mounting -2 at your size as well


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[2FUNKY]

Thirded

[Graham]

Has anyone custom ordered a narrow 118 waist Protest? How isn't this a popular ski? Looks basically perfect as a resort charger.