Praxis Protest..just how cool is it?

[sruffian]

As a compulsive shin masher, I don't think the ProTest is for me. I'm back on the C&D train.

Sure you made the right call, LWS. For the interwebs to know - the protest works for shin mashers. I prefer to ski them neutrally, but I can definitely drive the tips and not stuff them. I'm at -1 on 187's, though I'd usually ski a 190 or 192 inbounds.

[TAFKALVS]

Sure you made the right call, LWS. For the interwebs to know - the protest works for shin mashers. I prefer to ski them neutrally, but I can definitely drive the tips and not stuff them. I'm at -1 on 187's, though I'd usually ski a 190 or 192 inbounds.

I guess now since I have C&D on the way and maybe protest acolytes in my life I will be able to try both and see if I made a mistake or not.

[auvgeek]

What C&D did you find?

[TAFKALVS]

What C&D did you find?

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/showthread.php/325518-FS-ON3P-Cease-amp-amp-Desist-191cm

these bulldozers with the canoe rocker.

I figure they are cheap and maybe I'll swoop a pair of the newer goatrocker C&D when a mag decides that the newest shiny ski looks better. Bound to happen around here. I mean, I sold my 191 Billygoats!

[galibier_numero_un]

https://www.tetongravity.com/forums/...p-Desist-191cm

these bulldozers with the canoe rocker.

I figure they are cheap and maybe I'll swoop a pair of the newer goatrocker C&D when a mag decides that the newest shiny ski looks better. Bound to happen around here. I mean, I sold my 191 Billygoats!

If only a 184 shows up, but I know I'm dreaming.

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[Best Mexican Skier from Da South]

I can ski a 100mm underfoot in pow and still push on my shins. In fact, I had a great pow day on an 87mm underfoot a couple years ago.

Yeah, I was just trying to help out a dude who couldn’t ski the Protests in pow.

“If you can dodge a wrench, you can dodge a ball.”

[skibrd]

Praxis Protest..just how cool is it?

Just finished up skiing the 196 Protest 4 flex with Carbon in Japan in all sorts of snow. The Protest that stiff with the Carbon really demands a mid-foot to heel skiing style in heavier snow. In light snow, do what you want cause with the Protest is that stiff, and the snow is 2% density, nothing will get the top above the snow.

I really think Praxis has the flex spot on and by the end of the trip, I was sort of wishing I had gotten 3 flex with Carbon instead of adding Carbon and stiffening it up. We had 3 of 12 days where the extra stiffness was perfect, but those aren’t days I’d normally grab the Protest if I had my full quiver available, or a narrower pair of skis.

Maybe my tune will change back home when I have more tracks and cut up pow to ski, we will see.

Mounted -1 from the dimple

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[LightRanger]

I ski my OG 188 Hybrids at -1.5 and like them there. They're the full reverse camber version (continuous curves rocker, Keith used to call it).

I understand where the tip dive comments come from because if I try to drive my shins more/over-exaggerate, I can dive them--depending on speed. I switched from tele though, so I've always had a more centered stance merely from learning to p-turn with nothing holding my heels down.

[Muggydude]

Just finished up skiing the 196 Protest 4 flex with Carbon in Japan in all sorts of snow. The Protest that stiff with the Carbon really demands a mid-foot to heel skiing style in heavier snow. In light snow, do what you want cause with the Protest is that stiff, and the snow is 2% density, nothing will get the top above the snow.

I really think Praxis has the flex spot on and by the end of the trip, I was sort of wishing I had gotten 3 flex with Carbon instead of adding Carbon and stiffening it up. We had 3 of 12 days where the extra stiffness was perfect, but those aren’t days I’d normally grab the Protest if I had my full quiver available, or a narrower pair of skis.

Maybe my tune will change back home when I have more tracks and cut up pow to ski, we will see.

Mounted -1 from the dimple

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I’ve been debating with myself whether 3 flex was the right choice on my 192s, Like hearing this. Would you say you think the stiffer flex is better in lighter density or heavier density snow?

Overall I imagine stuff Flex is better pushing and cutting through crud, softer will float better slow speeds, but slightly more deflection in chop?

[skibrd]

I’ve been debating with myself whether 3 flex was the right choice on my 192s, Like hearing this. Would you say you think the stiffer flex is better in lighter density or heavier density snow?

Overall I imagine stuff Flex is better pushing and cutting through crud, softer will float better slow speeds, but slightly more deflection in chop?

I think your assessment is spot on with the flex difference. I really enjoyed the stiffer flex in cut up pow because the ski didn’t deflect as much as I feel a softer flex ski would of, but I also haven’t skied a 3 flex Protest.

I think the stiffer Protest is better in lighter density pow because it will slice through the snow and give you the float, and stability of a big pow ski. I had zero issues in denser pow with the mid foot/heel driving technique, or when the speeds got up higher, which was a challenge in Japan’s low angle trees.


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[whyturn]

I love the flex of my map veneer 3. Feels springy but stable inbounds I had carbon and it was good but I feel this flex is dialed for 192.

[Best Mexican Skier from Da South]

In light snow, do what you want cause with the Protest is that stiff, and the snow is 2% density, nothing will get the top above the snow.

There is no need to be on top of 2% density snow. Snow that light does not affect the skier or their movements. Personally, i think that’s what 3D snow is all about. You can't see the skis. You’re flying!

Exception: It will plane in 2% if it’s 45 degrees, and a huge line in Alaska. They plane that shit out in ski porn all the time. Even then, the skier still has to do their part with leg strength, stamina, and technique. There is no unicorn ski.

[skibrd]

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Exception: It will plane in 2% if it’s 45 degrees, and a huge line in Alaska. They plane that shit out in ski porn all the time. Even then, the skier still has to do their part with leg strength, stamina, and technique. There is no unicorn ski.

This is 100000% right. The Protest is not a magical unicorn, but for me it does pow better then most other skis. It was my first selection for Japan, but would be 3rd or 4th for AK. It may not even be the first ski I grab at home on a pow days.


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[Best Mexican Skier from Da South]

This is 100000% right. The Protest is not a magical unicorn, but for me it does pow better then most other skis. It was my first selection for Japan, but would be 3rd or 4th for AK. It may not even be the first ski I grab at home on a pow days.


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Skis really come down to the skier. I have a really good friend in Whistler. He owns 2 pair of skis (Powder and all mountain). He makes it look smooth and effortless in every condition. He'll do like 7 Spanky's runs and 4 Bushrat in Blackcomb on a single pow day. Protest be damned, but I'd be willing to wager he could out ski some people on Protests, Renegades, or whatever.

[skibrd]

Skis really come down to the skier. I have a really good friend in Whistler. He owns 2 pair of skis (Powder and all mountain). He makes it look smooth and effortless in every condition. He'll do like 7 Spanky's runs and 4 Bushrat in Blackcomb on a single pow day. Protest be damned, but I'd be willing to wager he could out ski some people on Protests, Renegades, or whatever.

Some of my best powder days are on my Kastle MX98s. It’s all about the skier and attitude. I would of had fun in Japan on a much narrower ski, maybe not the Kastle, but Bonafides would of been fun. I see now why most people bring 105-110 underfoot and think it’s perfect.

If I was to go to Japan again and I had to only bring one ski, I’d grab my Quixote’s or Super Freerides. If I brought two skis, the Protests would come again and my Scouts would make this trip this time. Japan doesn’t dictate a big fat ski.

We hit a once every 10 year storm at Asahidake, and the Protests weren’t big enough, but those storms are very rare. You are going to find knee to waste deep pow, and left overs, more then over head blower. Protests were a ton of fun, but serious over kill for 8 of our 12 days.


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