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  • mntlion
    gear pimp extraordinaire
    • Oct 2003
    • 22525

    #1

    the answer to "WTF is wrong with my boots?"

    So your boots hurt and you don’t know what to do?

    First thing, find a good boot fitter in YOUR area. Trying to fit boots, problem solving over the phone, or online is VERY hard to do. This is not like making a cake by a following a recipe (and I can’t do that either) but more like now to paint (as told by Sevie Wonder)

    So a few questions that you can answer that will help this out.

    1) What is the shell fit like for length? Remove the liner, put your foot in the shell only, have your toes lightly touching the front of the boot and see how much room is behind your heel and the boots shell. Use a pen as a spacer and measure this for thickness. You want 5-15mm (1/8 to ½ inch) of room. If you have more then 25mm stop here

    2) What is the shell fit like for width? Now center your foot front to back, (same amount of room behind the toe and heel) and is the width of your foot touching the sides of the boots shell? You want anything from lightly brushing to 2mm per side. If you have 3mm per side stop here.

    3) Do you have any footebds? Most people find a off the rack, or full custom footbed more comfortable, and helps to hold the foot in place better, Get one.

    So if you boot is within all of the above parameters we can go on. If you boot is just too big it is not worth working on. Your foot will still move around, you have to over tighten the buckles, and cramp to foot and cut off circulation (cold toes). Your boots are too big, and nothing will make that much better. Don’t waste your time, and money fixing a broken leg with bandaids. You need boots that are 1-2 sizes smaller. If you really want work on what you have, a boot fitter can do somethings, but it will not get much better, and will be $50 - $150 for not much progress.

    So now that your boot is within a workable size range in length, width and with a supportive footbed we can go on to getting more info.


    A few basic things to check first:

    1) You just have one, thin, clean ski sock in the boots
    2) You just have a sock in the boot? (no thermals, jewelry, etc)
    3) Your toe nails are trimmed short?
    4) They are YOUR boots and not borrowed?
    5) You are just skiing in your ski boots? (not walking, driving etc)?
    6) You dry your liners out at night either with a dryer or remove liners?
    7) The left liner, the left footbed are in the left boot and this is on the left foot?
    8) You are loosening the buckles if you are not skiing (while standing, on lifts, etc)
    9) You are not skiing all day in new boots? They need time to break in
    10) Buckles are pointing to the outside?


    So your boots are the right size, AND you are doing everything else right, but still the boots are not 100% right. These questions will help a boot fitter will have a better understanding of the problem and can start to help you. Better Or Worse = (BOW)

    1) BOW with the buckles tighter or looser?

    2) BOW with thinner or thicker socks?

    3) BOW with any footbeds (custom, stock, none, etc)?

    4) BOW skiing, standing, or feet un-weighted (hanging off a chair lift)?

    5) BOW thru out the day (and when does the pain start?)

    6) BOW on the first vs the third day?

    7) BOW on harder or easier terrain?

    8) BOW with the power straps (velcro straps) tighter or looser?

    9) BOW if you do any particular movements, or actions?

    10) Any medical, health, or weight changes since you used them last?

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  • jondrums
    Registered User
    • Nov 2007
    • 2179

    #2
    Originally posted by mntlion
    10) Buckles are pointing to the outside?
    I just KNEW something was wrong!

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    • TyWebb
      thank you very little
      • Jun 2006
      • 2051

      #3
      Awesome mntlion...this info is really helpful. I think a lot of bootfitters wiff on the fact that their job would be easier if their clients were more educated. The more I know about boots and about the bootfitter's job, the better job I can do giving him the information needed to get the work done well. I don't think fitter's should assume that the average skier knows everything you just posted (as they often do in my experience).

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      • gramboh
        Registered User
        • Feb 2005
        • 3299

        #4
        With proper fitting boots, do most people ski with them buckled all day or do they undo them on the lifts? I find it uncomfortable if I leave mine done up for more than a run or two, or if I am hiking and then skiing.

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        • haydukelives
          Registered User
          • Sep 2006
          • 1564

          #5
          could you explain why walking in boots is bad?

          "5) You are just skiing in your ski boots? (not walking, driving etc)"

          i dont mean wearing the sole. does it impact the liner adversely? i ask because i do walk around in them quite a bit as a break-in procedure.
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          • Ender
            Registered User
            • Mar 2008
            • 146

            #6
            I've been through the ringer with bootfitters and am very happy with my current set. But I still unbuckle my boots on the lift a majority of the time.

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            • oftpiste
              piste to the gills
              • Nov 2006
              • 8467

              #7
              Nice post mntlion. It'll probably reduce the long distance phone and PM traffic as well as the number of times you have to tell people, "I can't fit you over the interweb."

              I spent many hours over many weeks with my bootfitter last fall and learned a great deal. I was constantly amazed at what other customers would do and say to this guy who's literally been making people's boots perfect for something like 30 years. So many of them would try to rush through the process, act like they knew more than he, and sometimes act completely assholish when he tried to help, especially people who were obviously well-heeled and skied a lot -like 8-12 days a year.

              IMHO good bootfitters are godlike. Mntlion's earned his place in heaven for all the good he's done for the tribe here.
              Originally posted by Foggy_Goggles
              If I lived in WA, Oft would be my realtor. Seriously.

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              • mntlion
                gear pimp extraordinaire
                • Oct 2003
                • 22525

                #8
                Originally posted by haydukelives
                "5) You are just skiing in your ski boots? (not walking, driving etc)"

                i dont mean wearing the sole. does it impact the liner adversely? i ask because i do walk around in them quite a bit as a break-in procedure.


                people come into the store, complain that there toes bang against the front of the boot, or there heels lift, or blah blah blah, but "only when I walk around in them, Skiing is fine" Ski boots are made for skiing, not walking, driving, tap dancing, etc.

                It will wear out the bottom of the boot, but the liners, buckles etc will be fine.

                best way to break in a ski boot.... is to .... wait for it ..... ski in them ....

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                • SaSSafraS_LTK
                  Registered User
                  • Jan 2006
                  • 172

                  #9
                  Originally posted by mntlion
                  people come into the store, complain that there toes bang against the front of the boot, or there heels lift, or blah blah blah, but "only when I walk around in them, Skiing is fine" Ski boots are made for skiing, not walking, driving, tap dancing, etc.
                  Isn't heel lift when you're walking around an indication that you might get heel lift while skiing? In my experience (very low volume feet, heel lift when boots get packed out) heel lift while skiing is really only noticable as less control when you're in the back seat.

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                  • mntlion
                    gear pimp extraordinaire
                    • Oct 2003
                    • 22525

                    #10
                    Originally posted by SaSSafraS_LTK
                    Isn't heel lift when you're walking around an indication that you might get heel lift while skiing? In my experience (very low volume feet, heel lift when boots get packed out) heel lift while skiing is really only noticable as less control when you're in the back seat.
                    not always. you can force your heel up in almost any boot, and sometimes your heel lifts while walking but not while skiing

                    yup it is worse when you are not skiing properly,

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                    • birdboatboy
                      Registered User
                      • Nov 2005
                      • 729

                      #11
                      Thick should probably end up as a sticky.

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                      • jetski
                        Registered User
                        • Sep 2005
                        • 1086

                        #12
                        Mntlion,
                        my right toe hurts with a slight burning sensation after several hours of wear.
                        I do them up race tight before boarding the bus to the Lake from my hotel in Banff. Do I need new boots?
                        Thanks

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                        • SummerSucks77
                          Registered User
                          • Jun 2006
                          • 64

                          #13
                          god I hope you're kidding
                          "Feels like I'm wearing nothing at all"
                          - Ned Flanders

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                          • FrankZappa
                            Registered User
                            • May 2005
                            • 4002

                            #14
                            Mntlion- Thoughts on two different sized feet & leg lengths?

                            Dont know much about dancin
                            Thats why I got this song
                            One of my legs is shorter than the other
                            n both my feets too long
                            course now right along with em
                            I got no natural rhythm
                            But I go dancin every night
                            Hopin one day I might get it right
                            ...

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                            • AsheanMT
                              Schralper Extraordinaire
                              • Dec 2006
                              • 4501

                              #15
                              While working as a bootfitter last year we had a customer come into our shop after a day on the mountain angry as hell that we didn't fix her boots after the two hours we spent with her the previous day. She said her right foot was hurting all day long and that the pain was waaaay worse than it had been previously. She was sooooo mad at us. You should have seen the look on her face when I reached into the boot and pulled out the 2" plastic buckle that holds the batteries to her boot heater. She spent all day skiing with a two inch piece of plastic in her boot. She was from Florida.

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