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50 years ago Israel was attacked, it happened again today. Over 3,000 rockets launched in about 6 hours, roving teams of assholes randomly opening fire on civilians, kidnappings and who knows what else. This could end up being another huge mess as the world takes sides.
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The attacks happened on the Gregorian anniversary of the Yom Kippur War, though not Yom Kippur on the Hebrew calendar. The demented videos and images of civilians, entire families, executed in the streets are coming from pro-Hamas groups. Disturbing acts of terror directed at civilians. The militants aren't trying to hide it. Totally insane savagery.
The world has essentially taken sides. The West condemns the attacks. Iran helped orchestrate the attacks. Saudi Arabia and other Arab countries hold Israel responsible. Russia responds to the Hamas attack on Israel by calling for a civil war inside the United States with state channels saying the massacre in Israel are beneficial to Russia. Turkey calls for restraint in Israel and Palestine for all parties. Israel declares a state of war. -
That's a direct disrespect thing, they won't acknowledge the Hebrew calendar being different.Comment
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Unfortunately Hamas is more interested in keeping up its funding that actually working for positive change for Palestinians. This move will keep a hardline government in power in Israel, which will lead to more lost Palestinian lives. And will set back any attempts at normal political communication in the Middle East. It will also destroy support for the Palestinian cause from Europeans. Conversely it might destroy Palestinian support for Hamas, although that is the least probable outcome.
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There is your biggest clue that this proxy war of atrocities is orchestrated ultimately by Russia and aimed at the West to distract from Ukraine, but it also happens that the Russian allied Iranians are the prime mover as they have a huge interest in disrupting Israeli-Saudi normalization of relations as that is the primary threat to their regional hegemony.Originally posted by blurredComment
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This also will stretch western military supplies to the limit if we all get involved. They were saying that Hezbollah has 100k rockets in Lebanon and we know that there's an outrageous amount of ordinance close enough in Syria and elsewhere, how could we ever counter that. The Pres already said that we would do whatever's necessary, effectively putting us in the middle of this.Comment
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What are we going to do if we get involved? Israel has Iron Dome and Arrow 4 and a host of other missile defense stuff. Israel has the military power to occupy the 17 square miles that is Gaza, so no more rockets. Israel can SEAD and strike Syria with US ISR support. They have F-35s, F-16s, F-15s, and a fuck ton of drones. Bomb munition stockpiles, launchers, and enemy C4I.
All we have to do is supply some replacement JDAMs, aircraft spares, maybe we can offer tanker and JSTARS.
This won't impact what Ukraine needs from us materially.
It will distract the political will to support Ukraine with those things they need. That was the Russian goal.Originally posted by blurredComment
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Well yeah, they could turn Gaza into a nice flat beach resort zone pretty easily but some of the sovereign nations around them are a different story. I'm pretty confident that they have a better handle on taking care of their shit than we (or anyone else) can but as we're seeing in Ukraine, and we've seen in a few other places, it's about volume and these other guys have a lot. Do they have 100k rockets in the Iron Dome system? Their air force will undoubtedly kick ass.Comment
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More innocent people on both sides will die because of Iranian & Hamas, and yes Russian, terror. This year Hamas leaders visited Russia meeting with Sergey Lavrov himself. Now is the time to stop elected lunatics from shutting down Western governments.Comment
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Retaliating with collective punishment phase about to begin.
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Hamas says leadership visited Russia, met Sergey Lavrov
And the Iranians have been supplying Russia with missiles and drones for Ukraine... they might have accepted technical/operational expertise in leui of useless Rubles. The fact that the US and Israelis didn't see an operation of this size coming suggests some top tier level deception that would be the expertise of the FSB. Maskirovka.
Reading about what is happening over there is horrific... the Hamas kill squads went out and were massacring civilians, dragging them from shelters, shooting parents in front of children, kidnapping young girls, parading the bodies of the naked dead.... rocketing and burning towns... over 200 dead and over 1000 wounded... I think the radical faction is trying to foment a war situation, such a severe response from Israel that would embroil the surrounding Arab states into a wider regional war. Indeed that is what the message from Hamas to the Arab governments was: we are fighting, invade Israel and join us. So far only the Taliban has said "yea!" asking permission for their fighters to cross.
Biden gave a 3 minute speech with no questions in which he emphasized:
*We are 100% behind Israel
*We are in contact with governments of the region
*Anyone else thinking of fucking with Israel will face the consequences
Israel is striking back, more death... I hope calmer heads prevail and it doesn't blow up big, but what a tragic mess. It would be too much to hope for the Arab states to disavow and stomp Hamas.Originally posted by blurredComment
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A prime example of the stupidity and hate and death generated by religion.. On both of the current sides.. Israel has been a killing ground for centuries..what's so funny about peace, love, and understanding?Comment
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