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  • skaredshtles
    Registered User
    • Dec 2016
    • 15330

    #10141
    Originally posted by Buke
    <snip> at the same time every bit as nihilistic as the Russian stereotype would suggest.
    Nihilists? Fuck me.

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    • MultiVerse
      Whoahoho
      • Nov 2008
      • 7580

      #10142
      Ukraine is winning but the window for success is not infinite. The West is still not doing enough, giving enough, for them to win quickly. The most telling evidence for this simple fact is that they don't have the equipment needed to sustain an attack long enough to rout the Russian army. Instead it's mostly incremental gains at very high cost.

      Russia still has the the advantage in terms of size (30x larger), population (3.5x), and economy (10x). It's important not to lose sight of those facts. So with respect to Fisk and Russia's unprovoked invasion I would simplify his formulation: propaganda can kill, words can save, and it's important to act when we know the difference.

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      • dunfree
        Registered User
        • Aug 2016
        • 9942

        #10143
        Originally posted by oldnew_guy
        And now we have come full circle back to Fisks point.
        it’s more of an attitude than a point really, and one that strips agency from individuals and assigns it to some other. I doubt most Ukrainians needed government “propaganda” to see Russian shittiness.

        until the mobilization two weeks ago Russian soldiers - even officers - Could refuse to go Ukraine. Apparently hundreds did.

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        • PNWbrit
          No I'm not an Australian
          • Dec 2003
          • 33930

          #10144
          Originally posted by J. Barron DeJong
          So if it was a Russian sub that damaged the pipeline, as some have speculated, USA should have attacked it first, based on suspicion of what the Russians were planning?

          Seems stupid.
          Don't quote the bot. Please.
          Originally posted by Downbound Train
          And there will come a day when our ancestors look back...........

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          • mud
            .........
            • Feb 2007
            • 3230

            #10145
            Originally posted by MultiVerse
            Ukraine is winning but the window for success is not infinite. The West is still not doing enough, giving enough, for them to win quickly.

            dIPlomMacY through the media. I would say this is helpful.
            Petraeus: US would destroy Russia’s troops if Putin uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine
            Former CIA director and retired army general says Moscow’s leader is ‘desperate’ and ‘battlefield reality he faces is irreversible’

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            • Cono Este
              searching for Shangri la
              • Dec 2005
              • 14430

              #10146
              Originally posted by MultiVerse
              Ukraine is winning but the window for success is not infinite. The West is still not doing enough, giving enough, for them to win quickly. The most telling evidence for this simple fact is that they don't have the equipment needed to sustain an attack long enough to rout the Russian army. Instead it's mostly incremental gains at very high cost.

              Russia still has the the advantage in terms of size (30x larger), population (3.5x), and economy (10x). It's important not to lose sight of those facts. So with respect to Fisk and Russia's unprovoked invasion I would simplify his formulation: propaganda can kill, words can save, and it's important to act when we know the difference.
              How many months, yrs, before the west slows down aid? Maybe I’m under estimating the power of greed, profits, etc,

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              • Cono Este
                searching for Shangri la
                • Dec 2005
                • 14430

                #10147
                I just wanted to say that Elon Musk is a coward, a traitor, and a stinking hippy.

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                • LongShortLong
                  click here
                  • Oct 2008
                  • 2606

                  #10148
                  Originally posted by mud
                  dIPlomMacY through the media. I would say this is helpful.
                  Petraeus: US would destroy Russia’s troops if Putin uses nuclear weapons in Ukraine
                  https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...david-petraeus
                  Not clear to me how this helps Ukraine. It mainly solves Putin's problems - Russians avoid defeat by Ukraine, and there's no bitter military that could depose him. Hmm... Russian occupiers destroyed... guess that does help Ukraine and Putin can save face while ending the war. I withdraw my objection.

                  Hopefully we can get to a similar end state with less killing
                  10/01/2012 Site was upgraded to 300 baud.

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                  • highangle
                    Session Cat
                    • Jan 2009
                    • 16636

                    #10149
                    Zelensky ratio'd a trophy Boer with 1 question?

                    Throw it on the pile. Dude is made of win.


                    A Muscovite here. I know our president is really changing lives. My uncle has not been able to walk for two months due to pain, but after hearing one of his speeches, he was able to get up and turn the TV off! Miracle.

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                    • Bunion 2020
                      Registered User
                      • Dec 2004
                      • 24141

                      #10150
                      Originally posted by Cono Este
                      I just wanted to say that Elon Musk is a coward, a traitor, and a stinking hippy.
                      "Same as it ever was", D. Byrne
                      I have been in this State for 30 years and I am willing to admit that I am part of the problem.

                      "Happiest years of my life were earning < $8.00 and hour, collecting unemployment every spring and fall, no car, no debt and no responsibilities. 1984-1990 Park City UT"

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                      • JimmyCarter
                        Registered User
                        • Jan 2008
                        • 11060

                        #10151
                        Musk has done more for Ukraine in this conflict than any civilian in the world but now he’s to be considered pro-Russia?

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                        • rideit
                          ExteriorDecorator
                          • Nov 2005
                          • 36512

                          #10152
                          Did you actually read his tweet?
                          Forum Cross Pollinator, gratuitously strident

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                          • JimmyCarter
                            Registered User
                            • Jan 2008
                            • 11060

                            #10153
                            Originally posted by rideit
                            Did you actually read his tweet?
                            Yes. So how do you think this war ends? Because I’m not going to pretend to know.

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                            • rideit
                              ExteriorDecorator
                              • Nov 2005
                              • 36512

                              #10154
                              Well, Musk doesn’t either, but capitulating to Putin isn’t going to be the answer.
                              Forum Cross Pollinator, gratuitously strident

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                              • rideit
                                ExteriorDecorator
                                • Nov 2005
                                • 36512

                                #10155
                                So, not totally clear, but apparently this dude was getting a blowjob when he got smithereened.

                                Forum Cross Pollinator, gratuitously strident

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