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[ex-powderbroker]

Anyone drinking natty wines?

[doebedoe]

Anyone drinking natty wines?

Yes and no. I try to almost exclusively drink what most would call "natural" wines. E.g. low-intervention farming and wine making, indigenous yeast fermentations only, respect for local winemaking techniques (amphora hell yeah), and grapes (love me some Romarotin).

I don't care if there's a bit of brett on my wines. Although I'd prefer for it to blow off after awhile -- good cru beaujolais comes to mind, and a lot of italians. I jam on a lot of stuff from the Loire Austria, Georgia, and the like. One of my fave tastings ever was with Thierry at Clos tue Boeuf who makes a bunch of weird shit.



But wines that are just mousy to be mousy and get by on cool to excuse poor wine making -- can fuck right off. But if you're into this sorta thing -- you should go to Barcelona. There are a bunch of straight up natty wine bars crawling with gorgeous, young Catalan women chugging goblets of glou-glou. And I am into that.

[ex-powderbroker]

Wine Geekery

Yup, I'll have what you're having.

eta: sure, spain, france, greece, italy, slovenia, and georgia. sign me up for the tour!

there’s good juice btw in bc and ontario, they just can’t hit the same price point. and ontario girls don’t quite have the same appeal as the catalan’s although the sister in letterkenny isn’t bad.

[schindlerpiste]

A buddy of mine owns a small vineyard in Napa. It is called Larkin Vineyards. He is big-time into Cab. Franc and now he is doing canned wine.

He is doing well. I think that it is cheap-ish and is ok. If you see it give it a try.

[doebedoe]

Yup, I'll have what you're having....

Na...have whatever Buster serves....



This was a helluva a fun lineup we had one night in Spain. Almost full pours of 5 Tschida cuvees each for 15eu per person. Luckily we went to Monvinic before we just got fucked on this.



Fave wine experience ever though is probably La Venecia in Madrid. It's a sherry bar. Had no idea I loved sherry. One example of every main sherry type available. $1.80 for fino or manzanilla. $2.20 for everything else. Straight from the cask. No labels. No bullshit. No other bibations for sale. Simple tapas--free olives, cheese, meat. Cash only, no tipping allowed. No photos or phone conversations. Your tab is kept on chalk on the bar. If I could live in a bar, I'd live there. Of our 4 nights in Madrid, we closed it down at 2am on 3.

[chaka]

Everyday summer bottles:
White: Santa Margarita Pinot Grigio
Rose: Tavel
Red Burgundy: Les Granges des Papes Chateauneuf du pape
Claret: Krug

All good. All in the $20s

good list.
Red burgundy? Chateauneuf du Pape = Rhone varietals... Grenache, Syrah... plus, red burgundy and "in the $20s" rarely come together in a sentence

[neufox47]

Surprised nobody has mentioned WTSO yet.

It’s an app… wines til they sell out.

You can get some pretty fantastic stuff drastically discounted. Although drastically discounted doesn’t always mean cheap.

They’ve been hit or miss for me. Although they have a 2011 Cabernet from Clarendon Hills that is super tempting right now.

[Cruiser]

^^^ Just be reminded that Clarendon Hills doesn't follow the typical Aussie model insofar as they endeavor to prioritize the expression of terroir over the intensity of ripeness which often has the effect of being somewhat less than satisfying to folks who aren't aware and are expecting the typical Barossa fruit bomb.

[retirwntm]

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A lot of Biale, Von Strasser and Sullivan wines these days from a trip to Napa a few years back.

Most of these vineyards were small boutique more around St. Helena and Silverado Trail. Lots of damage from the forest fires. The place we stayed called the Black Rock Inn was burned to the ground. The owner had a fantastic wine cave and was not stingy with the best wines.





For summer, lots of whites: Vouvray from a few different labels.

Really like this label - Teutonic in Portlandia huge shout out to Barnaby.

Lots of good whites and a few roses all day.


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[splat]

I'm definitely not in the dentist category. I've got 3 little kids that I have to keep in skis and somehow figure out how to put through college. But, see my comment up thread about the sub $5 bottle of Portuguese wine at Costco. So cheap, simple and really easy to drink.

Also, I tend to find the cheaper Côtes du Rhone wines make a consistently good every day wine. Normally if I'm looking for a bottle to drink that night for any given weeknight at home, I just go to the French section and look for a Rhone wine in the sub $13 range. That's one thing that you get from all of the regulations in France around appelation de origine côntrolée. Sure, winemakers might have less room to innovate if they want the marketing advantages of the AoC but it also means that wines within an AoC will usually have similar characteristics. Once you figure out what you generally enjoy, you can just look for cheap options within that AoC.

I love going to the supermarché in France and picking up a bottle of Côtes du Rhone for a few Euros. Always a good choice.

[alpinevibes]

But wines that are just mousy to be mousy and get by on cool to excuse poor wine making -- can fuck right off. But if you're into this sorta thing -- you should go to Barcelona. There are a bunch of straight up natty wine bars crawling with gorgeous, young Catalan women chugging goblets of glou-glou. And I am into that.

Agreed, we’ve had hit-or-miss luck with bio/natural wines of nascent standing. Maybe our price point is too low but it just hasn’t landed in most cases.

I’ll still buy obscure wines when we come across them, but there’s often more of a nostalgia/story bias to liking the wine vs it being that great. Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Turkey, even Mallorca - you can find some real interesting stuff.

We’ve had some good bottles from Corsica and Puglia this year and have been increasingly into Priorat.
South African Chenin is a go-to summer white, mostly Ken Forrester

[doebedoe]

Agreed, we’ve had hit-or-miss luck with bio/natural wines of nascent standing. Maybe our price point is too low but it just hasn’t landed in most cases.

I’ll still buy obscure wines when we come across them, but there’s often more of a nostalgia/story bias to liking the wine vs it being that great. Albania, Bulgaria, Croatia, Turkey, even Mallorca - you can find some real interesting stuff.

We’ve had some good bottles from Corsica and Puglia this year and have been increasingly into Priorat.
South African Chenin is a go-to summer white, mostly Ken Forrester

Many of the great and classic producers are "natural" wine makers in the sense that they are using only indigenous yeasts, organic/biodynamic farming, hand harvested, no additives except maybe a touch of SO2 (and even many famous "natural" wine makers use a touch of SO2 they just don't talk about it.)

And I agree -- wine for me is about stories and getting drunk with people I like. And it's about it being delicious. I'm basically a lush who skis/runs/works so I don't feel as bad about it.

One of my bucket list is a dinner at the Little Nell where I drink whatever the somm tells me to.

[Buster Highmen]

Crisp, Frenchy chardonnay:
Paul Pernot, $30
https://www.wine-searcher.com/mercha..._id_F=28910897
Jean Marc Boillot (house favorite) $24

https://www.bassins.com/wine_detail.php?id=84707

T&P Matrot: $22

https://www.wineworksonline.com/wines/Domaine-Matrot-Bourgogne-Chardonnay-2018-w6386177z7

Less expensive red burgundy, more tannic than lots of Americans like
Frederic Esmonin: $16, grittier than most Cali pinot
https://www.winemadeeasy.com/frederi...-ml-53376.html
Nicolas Potel: $17

https://www.saratogawine.com/Nicolas-Potel-Bourgogne-Pinot-Noir-2018-750ml.html

Maison Roche de Bellene Bourgogne Rouge: $17

https://www.empirewine.com/wine/maison-roche-de-bellene-bourgogne-rouge-2018-i38453/

Albert Bichot Bourgogne Pinot Noir" $17

https://www.winesliquorwarehouse.com/products/13566566/albert-bichot-bourgogne-pinot-noir-vieilles-vignes-2018

Antonin Rodet Bourgogne Pinot Noir: $18

https://www.woodswholesalewine.com/products/2018-antonin-rodet-bourgogne-pinot-noir-burgundy-france-750ml

Digioia Royer Bourgogne Rouge (House favorite): $19

https://vinsrare.com/2008-digioia-royer-bourgogne-rouge-fine.wine-2846.html

Digioia Royer Hautes Cotes des Nuits: $28

https://vinsrare.com/2009-digioia-royer-hautes-cotes-de-nuits-rouge-fine.wine-2994.html

Others from bigger producers like Jadot, Faiveley, etc are out there and good value.

[Buster Highmen]

OK, I found a very interesting opportunity.

If I posted a link to some 20 year old red burgundy for $50 is anyone interested?

I got a case of the premier cru from this source a couple of months ago. I think it's RFT.

I make nothing on this, it's just a tip for the consortium of k00ks.

[rod9301]

I probably bought 100 cases from wtso.com on the last few years.

Great value, free shipping, and somehow i like all the wines i bought there.

When you buy online, what's the shipping cost?

I wanted to buy a case recently from someone else than wtso and i was amazed how expensive shipping was



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