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  • fastfred
    Registered User
    • Jan 2010
    • 5019

    #4081
    Originally posted by El Chupacabra
    ^^^ Quality rant.

    Flats don't agree with me, but I don't care if someone wants to ride in skate shoes. Main advantage I see is flats riders can walk around in comfy sneakers.

    More idiotic trends are the fanny pack, taping tubes and shit to a bike frame, socks up to your knees, and (I think I ranted on this awhile back) goggles on trail rides. Pretty much the whole enduro bro package.

    And tailgate pads. Good way to scratch your bike and your truck, at the same time.
    Originally posted by Roxtar
    My rant?
    MTBers constantly choosing fashion over form, aka, fads.
    It started with pro DHers who (documeneted by Farentino in a Grimy Handshake piece) requested a rule against spandex because they didn't want to wear it but didn't want to get beat by someone who would choose the racing benefits over the social horror.
    There are a few fads I'm currently annoyed with. The first two are mild;

    - Not wearing gloves; apparently, that whole "connection to the bars" thing is overrated. Besides, who sweats while riding?

    -Riding in jeans. Too stupid for discussion. Again, who sweats while riding?

    -My third and primary one is platform pedals. This fad is so big now, even long time riders, who should know better because they're well aware of the advantages of clipless, are even falling for it.
    I've heard every excuse:
    "It helps with extremely technical terrain" (No, it doesn't. It helps you to FALL in extremely technical terrain).
    "It makes me a better rider to not rely on being clipped in." That one is my favorite and it's the one most often repeated by advanced riders going full-platform.
    That's like saying learning how to drive a manual transmission makes you a better driver. Not if you drive an automatic. It's simply a different, unnecessary, skill-set (not a bad thing) but it doesn't add anything to your automatic transmission driving.
    It's like saying, learning how to develop film makes you a better photographer. Not if digital is better than film. (caveat to this last example; I know nothing about photography and this is based on my limited understanding that most pros have switched to digital).

    Having a real connection to the bike is essential to handling, especially in technical terrain. That's why platform riding requires that whole "front heel down, rear heel up" thing. It's an attempt to mimic clipless riding. Also important is getting the right foot placement on the pedal. With platforms no two pedal placements are the same. You know it. With clipless, dial the placement in and forget about it-it's now perfect every time.
    I won't even get into the pedaling efficiency discussion as it's just too obvious.

    A friend put it best, "Platforms are better if I fall. Clipless helps me to not fall".

    Platform pedals are better than clipless in one, and only one, situation. It helps when you fall or dab. That's why they've always been in the beginner domain. Beginners have always started on platforms and graduated to clipless as their skills and confidence progressed.

    They sure do look cool, though ...
    Solid work gentlemen even I can't come close but as I go through my day getting more and more agro I'm sure I'll come up with more

    fanny packs are dumb it was dumb back in 1990 when I carried my weed and wallet around in one it didn't get any better

    driving a stick does make you a better driver without a doubt

    I wear spandex when riding a mtn bike becuase I like showing up my large package when standing around at the trail head

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    • toast2266
      over rotated
      • Dec 2007
      • 15063

      #4082
      Flats are like hardtails. Are they the best option in all scenarios? Absolutely not. Will they force you to be a better rider and develop skills that will be useful when you're riding clips / suspension? Definitely.

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      • fastfred
        Registered User
        • Jan 2010
        • 5019

        #4083
        Originally posted by El Chupacabra
        ^^^ Quality rant.

        Flats don't agree with me, but I don't care if someone wants to ride in skate shoes. Main advantage I see is flats riders can walk around in comfy sneakers.

        More idiotic trends are the fanny pack, taping tubes and shit to a bike frame, socks up to your knees, and (I think I ranted on this awhile back) goggles on trail rides. Pretty much the whole enduro bro package.

        And tailgate pads. Good way to scratch your bike and your truck, at the same time.
        Originally posted by Eluder
        I can't believe how many 9-5ers bitch that they have to take a break from their boring day as cogs in the machine to buy bike parts (which they won't pay retail for anyway). I mean yeah fuck those service industry folks, fuck them for wanting to hang with their friends and family. Just hire some young dumb kids that don't have to care about hanging with friends or family but somehow are master techs and super knowledgeable about the exact thing I am interested in.
        exactly
        boo hoo what do you mean you can't be open 7 days a week 12 hrs a day?

        try being an employer I mean everyone wants to be a desk jocky and hit enter all day at the computer

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        • jackstraw
          Irie
          • Dec 2002
          • 9653

          #4084
          Originally posted by buttahflake
          You are an angry man, strawjack. I like bikes, 28mm, 42mm and 2.4’s or 4.0’s, it’s all good.
          Smoke a bowl, ride a bike.
          Good comedy coming from you Buttah. Did you take offense about roadie on dirt kom strava assholes? Are you one?

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          • Dantheman
            Registered User
            • Oct 2003
            • 19529

            #4085
            I couldn't give less of shit what type of pedal people choose to use. But, FFS please don't try to tell me flats work just as well as clipless for climbing. I've tested this extensively myself, they don't, period, end of debate.

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            • jackstraw
              Irie
              • Dec 2002
              • 9653

              #4086
              Originally posted by Dantheman
              I couldn't give less of shit what type of pedal people choose to use. But, FFS please don't try to tell me flats work just as well as clipless for climbing. I've tested this extensively myself, they don't, period, end of debate.
              Well, you're also assuming people know how to pedal. In some cases it may not make a damn bit of difference.

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              • grskier
                Um, yeah, that guy
                • Jan 2006
                • 12718

                #4087
                I've been on flats for the last 2 years exclusively after ACL repair. I've gotten to be a better biker because of it... but I look silly on my gravel bike.

                That I ride in jean shorts and merino t shirts. Which gets some looks when I pass/get passed by roadies all lycraed out.

                I'm 67% sure I'm having more fun, so there.
                www.dpsskis.com
                www.point6.com
                formerly an ambassador for a few others, but the ski industry is... interesting.
                Fukt: a very small amount of snow.

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                • Roxtar
                  Living the Dream
                  • Dec 2007
                  • 2829

                  #4088
                  Originally posted by toast2266
                  Will they force you to be a better rider and develop skills that will be useful when you're riding clips? Definitely.
                  I would ask what skills those are. Seriously, I've thought this out and can't think of anything that I can learn from riding flats that would help me on clipless. And yes, I have ridden flats.
                  I suppose drifting, if that was my jam?

                  If anything, it seems it would enforce bad habits. For instance, the basic flat pedal stance; front heel down/rear heel up. While absolutely necessary on flats, it's a very inefficient, unbalanced riding position.
                  Originally posted by Jer
                  After the first three seconds, Corbet's is really pretty average.
                  Originally posted by Ian Malcolm
                  I mean, it's not your fault. They say talent skips a generation.
                  But hey, I'm sure your kids will be sharp as tacks.

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                  • XXX-er
                    Registered User
                    • Mar 2008
                    • 34296

                    #4089
                    I went to flat for the mtb after blowing the ACL and never went back,

                    I think i like flats better for the E-bike

                    I still got clips on the other bikes
                    Lee Lau - xxx-er is the laziest Asian canuck I know

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                    • toast2266
                      over rotated
                      • Dec 2007
                      • 15063

                      #4090
                      Originally posted by Roxtar
                      I would ask what skills those are. Seriously, I've thought this out and can't think of anything that I can learn from riding flats that would help me on clipless. And yes, I have ridden flats.
                      I suppose drifting, if that was my jam?
                      It'll teach you how to bunny hop correctly. It'll teach you proper form when jumping. It'll teach you how to keep your body planted on the bike without relying on your feet being attached to the pedals.

                      All of those things can be learned with clips, but it's a lot more efficient to learn on flats. I see tons and tons of riders who use their clips as a crutch and pretty much suck at some basic bike skills.

                      I even see it in myself - in my early flat pedal days, I could bunny hop up onto picnic tables no problem. Now I've been cheating with clips for far too long and I suck at bunny hopping.

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                      • Andeh
                        Registered User
                        • Feb 2014
                        • 2306

                        #4091
                        Originally posted by Roxtar
                        I would ask what skills those are. Seriously, I've thought this out and can't think of anything that I can learn from riding flats that would help me on clipless. And yes, I have ridden flats.
                        I suppose drifting, if that was my jam?

                        If anything, it seems it would enforce bad habits. For instance, the basic flat pedal stance; front heel down/rear heel up. While absolutely necessary on flats, it's a very inefficient, unbalanced riding position.
                        Only time my rear heel comes up is when I'm trying to actively lift the rear wheel off the ground. During normal descending, it stays down. Not as far as the front foot, but that's more due to body mechanics than something specific to a flat pedal.

                        You also said previously that your foot ends up being all over the place on flats. Again, not true for experienced flat riders. The wear spots on my shoes are very precise marks corresponding to the pin locations. I also have almost no wear on my chainstays or cranks, which means that my heels mostly stay aligned and aren't rotating inward.

                        Just like a clip rider builds up muscle memory for clipping in and out, a flat rider builds up muscle memory of putting their foot in the same spot and rotating the pedals as the situation warrants.

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                        • rideit
                          Mellowing Like Vinegar
                          • Nov 2005
                          • 36531

                          #4092
                          So, something like 60-70% of EWS riders use clipless. That says something. On the podium, it’s evenly split, according to what I have read. So my opinion is that there are two ways to skin the cat. Personally, I am way, way faster and feel more in control on clipless, but everyone’s different.
                          I equate it to shredding on tele/freeheel skis, sure, some people rip, and it takes a lifetime to master. I personally flail around.
                          Forum Cross Pollinator, gratuitously strident

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                          • skaredshtles
                            Registered User
                            • Dec 2016
                            • 15347

                            #4093
                            I am eager to see how this flats vs. clipless debate works out!



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                            • rideit
                              Mellowing Like Vinegar
                              • Nov 2005
                              • 36531

                              #4094
                              ^^^^^^This guy gets it^^^^^
                              Forum Cross Pollinator, gratuitously strident

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                              • jm2e
                                The Wolf
                                • Apr 2008
                                • 7218

                                #4095
                                Anyone have anything they'd like to rant about?

                                I’ve been having a lot of hand pain the last couple seasons. Switched to Vibrocore, and that helped some, but not enough. Got to where I was thinking about carbon bars for the first time in years since swearing off carbon bars.
                                Riding the lift at Snow Shoe a week after the World Cup. Guy comes out of the very top woods section (the woods you drop into for a hot second after the road gap near the start). Guy comes out of the woods, over the 18” step down, and his torso/face continue to drop straight to the ground. Faster than you can process WTF.
                                Immediately moaning and yelling “Oh my god, I’m fucked up. Fuck. Fuck. Fuck”. Literally straight down under our chair this is happening.
                                Turns out his carbon handlebar broke, and his hand/wrist/arm if fucked.
                                So carbon handlebars are back off the table.


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                                However many are in a shit ton.

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